shakahislop

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Do you know if these guys are Neturei Karta, or what?
Fairly sure they're the ones from the sect that follows that Hungarian dude. Quick google suggests that's the same thing. one of the guys I (failed to) talked to couldn't speak English I think a lot of them only speak Hungarian
 

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
they were selling gaza from the river to the sea baseball caps in shadwell so i got one for craner.
Reminds me of the time I went to Lebanon and bought a Hezbollah T-shirt as a present for a mate back home.

Don't think he ever wore it, the ungrateful sod.
 

mixed_biscuits

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I listened to bits on a CD stall in a Paris FNAC and thought YEAH, MAN, this stuff's HEAVY and it's got ATTITUDE.
In fact two stalls down, with a crumpled Blink182 ticket still in his jeans pocket, a young @dilbert1 was listening to the 10th minute of Albert Ayler's Spiritual Unity as a fat salt tear rolled gently down his cheek. He had realised he would never be able to dig this and that admittance to the top tiers of musical appreciation would be forever barred to him.
 

version

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Anyone read this nutter in Tablet mag claiming Jews should be above international law and the idea of an innocent civilian is a Christian idea they shouldn't subscribe to?

Live by the Law or Die on the Cross

... Israel will only be exonerated if it ever gets a fair trial—and by “fair,” these people always mean one judged by Western, and therefore Christian, standards.

Christianity no longer gets top billing in the Western marketplace of ideas, but its legacy is everywhere you look, no matter how secular the setting. In the formation of a religious community that embraced all of humanity as equivalent, and all souls/persons/moral agents within its ultimate dominion, the Christian project rejected the hereditary priesthood and national chosenness of the Jews. Thomas Jefferson’s deistic “all men are created equal” (by God) filtered through the centuries to a point where the preference for Jews shown by the Law of Return sounds plainly illegal to an American ear.
 

shakahislop

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it's not the most important thing that's going on. but the extent to which gaza is sucking up and spitting out all kinds of emotions is unignorable. almost all the discussion i see about it in america feel like its only tangentially related to people in gaza themselves. maybe this is always the case for the issues of the day. but at least with occupy and BLM there was a direct link to day to day experience and reality.
 

version

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it's not the most important thing that's going on. but the extent to which gaza is sucking up and spitting out all kinds of emotions is unignorable. almost all the discussion i see about it in america feel like its only tangentially related to people in gaza themselves. maybe this is always the case for the issues of the day. but at least with occupy and BLM there was a direct link to day to day experience and reality.

That's the idea of 'solidarity' and 'intersectionality', isn't it? That people recognise the overlapping struggles wherever they may be occurring and work together to overcome them. Attention goes wherever the fighting's most fierce.

Obviously there'll be a lot of people just instinctively responding to whatever the latest stream of horrific images are though, and most of them are currently coming from Gaza.
 

shakahislop

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That's the idea of 'solidarity' and 'intersectionality', isn't it? That people recognise the overlapping struggles wherever they may be occurring and work together to overcome them. Attention goes wherever the fighting's most fierce.

Obviously there'll be a lot of people just instinctively responding to whatever the latest stream of horrific images are though, and most of them are currently coming from Gaza.
i don't think it's even that version. it's like personal dramas and drives being sublimated into the cause. the cause as a funnel for everything else. i don't get the feeling that that people in israel or gaza are the central subject of this kind of libidinal energy. i like the free palestine guys and they're on the right side. and also can actually be bothered to do something. find it hard to relate at all to the (pretty huge number of) pro-israel people. but still. i think a lot of the time there's a lot more at play than beliefs or justice.
 

version

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i don't think it's even that version. it's like personal dramas and drives being sublimated into the cause. the cause as a funnel for everything else. i don't get the feeling that that people in israel or gaza are the central subject of this kind of libidinal energy. i like the free palestine guys and they're on the right side. and also can actually be bothered to do something. find it hard to relate at all to the (pretty huge number of) pro-israel people. but still. i think a lot of the time there's a lot more at play than beliefs or justice.

Isn't that covered by my second point about lots of people instinctively reacting to the current event? This is the current thing to be up in arms about, an outlet for all your conscious/unconscious negative energy.
 
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