fighting

consuming the Other? or wanting to, anyway...

what is love but that?

love is rarely a "selfless" emotion. despite what certain wheat gods say.


La passion du real? Lust (forget courtly love?). Watching Oshima's Ai No Corrida again recently reminded me of this distinctly 20th century obsession/affliction.

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Wasn't it Badiou who contrasted the subliminal-innocent 19th century, with its utopian or 'scientific' aspirations and ideals which somehow were to be vaguely fulfilled in the rosy future, with the 20th century's impatient immediacy, its insistence on bypassing all appearance with a view to being directly delivered the thing itself, at directly achieving the desired New Order? The ultimate and defining experience of the 20th century was the direct experience of the 'real' as distinct from quotidian social reality — the real, in its extreme violence, is the price to be paid for peeling off the deceiving layers of reality. "Love" (more properly, sexuality) now defined as the authentic, teleological intersubjective encounter, with its authenticity now ultimately residing in the act of violent transgression, whether in the form of an encounter with the Lacanian real — the thing, to refer to the other thread, Antigone confronts when she challenges the established order of the city and then suffers a Symbolic death — or of Bataillean excess. In the realm of sexuality, I'm reminded, then, that the icon of this passion of the real is Ai No Corrida, in which the couple's love is radicalised into mutual torture and eventually death, much like Bataille's Story of the Eye.
 
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nomadologist

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Leave it to HMLT...

now defined as the authentic, teleological intersubjective encounter, with its authenticity now ultimately residing in the act of violent transgression, whether in the form of an encounter with the Lacanian real — the thing, to refer to the other thread, Antigone confronts when she challenges the established order of the city and then suffers a Symbolic death — or of Bataillean excess

This is how I like it, anyway.

I need to see this film...
 

zhao

there are no accidents
the story of O... where's that turn-ons thread? oh shit I'm opening myself up to all kinds of post-lacanian analysis... I'll just lie down on the dissection table here... go crazy. (or maybe i'm not interesting/neurotic/deviant enough... just the usual run of the mill boring straight chauvinist male)

the maturity level of sickboy is hardly something that needs reiteration
 
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nomadologist

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You mean you don't practice AEA at least twice a day? ;)

People who call things they don't like "gay" are really beneath all contempt. Urite.
 

mms

sometimes
You mean you don't practice AEA at least twice a day? ;)

People who call things they don't like "gay" are really beneath all contempt. Urite.

people who use gay as a description of things because they are gay but think that's a bad thing annoy me.
like people who won't dance to disco cos its gay, even though it's fantastic and they'll have a much better time than nodding to hip hop wearing a much practiced frown.
 

mistersloane

heavy heavy monster sound
You mean you don't practice AEA at least twice a day? ;)

People who call things they don't like "gay" are really beneath all contempt. Urite.

Although my nephew said that he didn't like the Strokes. 'Why not?' 'Cos they're gay' and for once I had to admit that he'd used the word in its correct context.
 

zhao

there are no accidents
thanks sloane! i was trying to think of an example of how i used to use the word and that's a perfect one.
 
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nomadologist

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people who use gay as a description of things because they are gay but think that's a bad thing annoy me.
like people who won't dance to disco cos its gay, even though it's fantastic and they'll have a much better time than nodding to hip hop wearing a much practiced frown.

yeah, another one i hate, speaking of hip-hop-- "no homo". ugh. why bring up homos? did anyone say you were a homo? NOPE. overcompensating much? yes.
 
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nomadologist

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i don't do that but have in the past used "gay" in that way... :eek: i'll stop

Thing is, my gay friends call each other faggots, ass bandits, blah blah all the time to be funny. They laugh if other people call them "gay" or whatever.

What's really immature are people who call things "gay" in a derogatory manner because they really find them "not status quo masculine enough."

Like Sick Boy and Eminem.
 
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nomadologist

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(or maybe i'm not interesting/neurotic/deviant enough... just the usual run of the mill boring straight chauvinist male)

There is nothing more normative and boring than a lot of the practices within the BDSM community. I don't truly identify much with them. I don't like talking during sex--if you can think of words other than "oh" "god" and "fuck", then it's not very hot sex.

I hate straight, mainstream porn because it's too focused on nudity and obscenity without any actual sex appeal. A good lover will make you shake like a leaf before he even takes your clothes off. Also: the hottest sex is not necessarily loud and fast, it's slow/frantic and hushed, especially for the first 25 minutes.

NB to men: "Foreplay" should be purposely minimal. It should be about witholding touch for as long as possible, not overstimulating nerves until they don't work anymore. Whoever started the myth of foreplay should be shot. P.S. No matter how rough it gets, it should still always be about tenderness and urgency, not theatrics.

...And now that we've succeeded in turning the "fighting" thread into the "sex" thread, I patiently await HMLT's picture-filled responses.
 
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