luka
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it's not lazy it's just, as i've said before, several levels too high. you need to think in terms of the fundamentals. what underlies all that stuff.
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it's not lazy it's just, as i've said before, several levels too high. you need to think in terms of the fundamentals. what underlies all that stuff.
luka
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sheils has a long post on it in the what does spiritual mean thread.
constant escape
winter withered, warm
I read that as an indication I'm too deep into idealism, because for me values/meanings underlies everything, from the subjective angle.
luka
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our self at any given time is a kind of space which allows for a particualr range of intensities, a certain level of information intake, a certain range and degree of emotions and sensations. its stratified. this person here can go no further in this direction, cannot express this feeling, cannot articulate this idea. the trauma event, the rupture, can shatter this structure, destratify, and allow for a reconfiguration at a different attractor site, a new body, a new you, a new stew.
luka
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you'll understand perfectly if you listen to this on a loop all night while playing Duke Nukem
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luka
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there needs to be some kind of breaking down of the existent strucure before the new experience can be, like, experienced. this is why its dangerous. therpaists are always breaking people when they tear down a neurotic but functional structure and nothing forms in its place.
constant escape
winter withered, warm
One such reconfiguration would be pushing their limits further, no? Much like routine exercising, that kind of burn/tension just being the physical equivalent of trauma, which leaves a higher tolerance in its wake/recovery.
luka
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well you break down a muscle to cause hypertrophy. what do you mean by limits here?
luka
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COSMIC SLOP.
In the Room of Cosmic Plumbing,
Recalibration is in Progress.
The Recirculation of Cosmic Slop/pissing in the amitotic fluid.
‘Ok, just tuning you in now.’ Mild mannered technician turns dial, frequencies replace one another on a CONTINUUM OF INTENSITY.
Delectable fluid warmth, flow into and out of, release.
TERMINAL SEWER,
In WORDS of Burroughs, William.
Wallow in terminal sewer,
rather pleasant, in actual fact.
DEATH IS -ultimate voiding of the bowels.
COMMODIOUS VICUS OF RECIRCULATION.
As the dial is turned different kinds of
greatness
become possible
NEW HORIZONS come into focus
Altered capacities for feeling/OTHER INTENSTIES.
What once
Lay beyond the curtain of the imaginable
Becomes commonplace/ what once was sweetest pleasure
Is now FORBIDDEN-
-Outside the sphere of the possible
Quite cloaked in shadows,
In the Room of Cosmic Plumbing,
Recalibration is in Progress.
The Recirculation of Cosmic Slop/pissing in the amitotic fluid.
‘Ok, just tuning you in now.’ Mild mannered technician turns dial, frequencies replace one another on a CONTINUUM OF INTENSITY.
Delectable fluid warmth, flow into and out of, release.
TERMINAL SEWER,
In WORDS of Burroughs, William.
Wallow in terminal sewer,
rather pleasant, in actual fact.
DEATH IS -ultimate voiding of the bowels.
COMMODIOUS VICUS OF RECIRCULATION.
As the dial is turned different kinds of
greatness
become possible
NEW HORIZONS come into focus
Altered capacities for feeling/OTHER INTENSTIES.
What once
Lay beyond the curtain of the imaginable
Becomes commonplace/ what once was sweetest pleasure
Is now FORBIDDEN-
-Outside the sphere of the possible
Quite cloaked in shadows,
constant escape
winter withered, warm
By limits, I mean how long you can go/exercise before reasonably deciding you've had enough. Also applies to the kind of limits you mentioned, such as the limits of articulation one may have. I don't think their intensive orientations are fixed, but expanding their maximums involves a sustaining a kind of trauma/tension/burn that effectively enables them to go longer next time, to articulate better and better. Cognitively, this tension is... aporia? That's what I would say.
sus
Moderator
@suspendedreason @Mr. Tea any thoughts on Gibbs free energy? What exactly does it mean? Feel free to take a philosophic approach, which is my usually tactic for breaking into this stuff.
I don't know anything about thermodynamics but I'd be interested if someone else could explain it
constant escape
winter withered, warm
I sense a similarity between how one pushes through some duration of physical exhaustion in exercise, and how one pushes through some kind of cognitive/cerebral difficulty when trying to really understand something. In both cases, you can increase your fitness such that, for each successive period of exercise, you last longer, go farther.
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
All this is saying is that a reaction can be spontaneous, or nearly spontaneous, when the initial materials have more energy than the products, so that energy is given out. When the reverse is true, the reaction is not spontaneous, because energy has to be supplied to the system to make it happen.
In mechanical terms, it might only take a small wobble to make a precariously balanced object fall off a shelf, but an object on the floor is not going to spontaneously leap up onto a shelf.
WashYourHands
Cat Malogen
Then this is appalling therapy and a contradiction in terms. A good case study? Graded exposure for phobias. Use that as your baseline instead.
I don’t know what you have against therapy, the whole science is based upon reforming and healing the client according to their needs, not the whims of a therapist. Breaking down a dysfunctional structure and replacing it with new codes and language allows for the integration of new experiences (fresh lived experience), ie the exact opposite of what you’re propagating.
It’s also a tad insulting to those of us who work within the field. Are there incompetent osteopaths of the soul? Absolutely, but they’re the exception in most cases. Just because Barry from Staines had a tough ride facing down some home truths during CBT doesn’t invalidate the millions who do benefit. From eating disorders to addictions to traumas, specific therapies can and do heal those able to access professional support.
WashYourHands
Cat Malogen
No-one’s saying it has to be easy, but if you commit and follow through, you can exit the other side anew.
luka
Well-known member
if you read a bit about therapy from Freud on this is one of the primary dangers they warn you of.
shiels
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What Does Spiritual Mean?
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