Your Journey to the Alt-Right.

[luka]

you don't want to write that book?

 

[woops]

There will 100% be a great novel of the Internet; it's just that no one's figured out how to do it yet.

isn't it called "neuromancer"?

 

[catalog]

I think the novel as a form definitely reached its apotheosis in the 19th and early 20th centuries. Before film, telly radio took over.

 

[luka]

but they dont do the same things

 

[luka]

except in a general 'entertainment' sense.

 

[WashYourHands]

They tell stories. And before them oral traditions (not in a glory hole sense).

 

[sus]

if you're not tapping into the phenomenology of browsing then it don't count

 

[sus]

you don't want to write that book?

you and I both know that's not what I'm talking about!!

 

[catalog]

Yeah I take that point, that they have different functions, therefore can be enjoyed in different ways, but, and I think I'm in agreement with WYH, it's about what's dominant or primary as the storytelling medium of the moment. Now, it's the Internet. Then, it was the novel. Perhaps that is simplistic, but I do think there's something in it. Like reading bleak house now, it reminds me most of watching a decent 60 hour TV series, it has that same function. Gets that deep. But harder to interact with / get into at first cos it's not the dominant thing

 

[luka]

you and I both know that's not what I'm talking about!!

alright alright!@ i will hit the reset button on our relationship!

 

[borzoi]

yea and that's why novels now (speaking strictly about mainstream litfic) are either written to be adapted into streaming shows or lean into the form of the novel to the point where you have a collection of beautifully written sentences and not much else (the ben lerner mentioned above).

 

[borzoi]

i think novels build up the foundation of your brain, like the machinery in back that keeps it working. and they sit there and percolate for a long time and can come back to you. whereas the internet makes everything little bites of content like eating just sour patch kids. so i read a lot to counter the effects of the internet basically. i've read part of i hate the internet and it did do a good job of capturing the feel of online but it still feels wrong to read it in a book. like some malevolent force has escaped from the screen into the outside world.

 

[john eden]

Grange Hill was written by Phil Redmond who is Mr Issue anyway.

 

[version]

beautifully written sentences and not much else (the ben lerner mentioned above).

His sentences are awful though.

 

[borzoi]

lol they're not my thing either, i'm not really a "sentence guy". but you know what i mean. that kind of diamond hard mfa prose.

 

[Mr. Tea]

Zammo on smack was 1986 long before the issue of issue-ishness became an issue.

Fair. It was just one of the ones I could remember. Impressed that you knew which year it was from.

 

[john eden]

Zammo-1986 was the year it all changed for Rich.

 

[Mr. Tea]

Zammo-1986 was the year it all changed for Rich.

Well I just hope it taught him a valuable salutary lesson and put him off ever trying so much as a spliff.

 

[craner]

I remember when Trevor Cleaver became an alcoholic, bunking off lessons to drink cans of lager by the river.

It was aspirational.

 

[WashYourHands]

Scarper, it’s Gripper