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luka
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Marxism, Conspiracy, and 9–11* | Socialism and Democracy
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The Snopes page on the insider trading theory's funny. It just says yes, there was weird trading going on, but it was nothing suspicious because it was only done by one investor and one newsletter and the FBI said it was just a coincidence...
"Highly publicized allegations of insider trading in advance of 9/11 generally rest on reports of unusual pre-9/11 trading activity in companies whose stock plummeted after the attacks. Some unusual trading did in fact occur, but each such trade proved to have an innocuous explanation. For example, the volume of put options — instruments that pay off only when a stock drops in price — surged in the parent companies of United Airlines on September 6 and American Airlines on September 10 — highly suspicious trading on its face. Yet, further investigation has revealed that the trading had no connection with 9/11. A single U.S.-based institutional investor with no conceivable ties to al Qaeda purchased 95 percent of the UAL puts on September 6 as part of a trading strategy that also included buying 115,000 shares of American on September 10. Similarly, much of the seemingly suspicious trading in American on September 10 was traced to a specific U.S.-based options trading newsletter, faxed to its subscribers on Sunday, September 9, which recommended these trades. The SEC and FBI, aided by other agencies and the securities industry, devoted enormous resources to investigating this issue, including securing the cooperation of many foreign governments. These investigators have found that the apparently suspicious consistently proved innocuous."
Were Stocks of Airlines Suspiciously Shorted Just Before 9/11?
were the stocks of various airlines shorted just before 9/11?
www.snopes.com
shakahislop
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often the problem with having arguments about this shit in real life is that it's rude to say to your interlocuteur that you don't believe that they know anything at all about stock movements / how to interpret medical statistics / the temperature at which steel beams melt and that they're just telling you about things they read on the internet. you're just not allowed to say that in a conversation. this is a weakness of our culture.
The problem with the Snopes rebuttal isn't that I believe the conspiracy theories, it's that "Yeah, there was some suspicious trading going on, but it was just a coincidence," is a terrible rebuttal. You have to at least explain why it was a coincidence and how that conclusion was reached otherwise you're no better than the conspiracy theorists claiming such and such "definitely happened" without providing any evidence.
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
Yeah, it's not one of their better ones, that.
luka
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i say that to my mad cousin all the time. but then he has a temper tantrum and doesnt speak to me for 3 months
Clinamenic
Binary & Tweed
I pull the old Socrates humblebrag trick of pointing out how little I know about the given subject, while demonstrating that even I know more than my interlocutor.
Clinamenic
Binary & Tweed
Bear in mind that his incessant usage of this technique arguably brought about his own demise. In light of this, sometimes I just nod along and offer vague affirmations.
craner
Beast of Burden
Oh, is that what you're doing?
Clinamenic
Binary & Tweed
I feel a bit safer doing it here because none of you are likely to show up where I live, or sue me for corrupting youth, seeing as I am one.
Clinamenic
Binary & Tweed
Also easier when you actually recognize how little you know in relation to what can be known, but then again I'm early in my practice of this technique and thus my opinion should be taken with a grain of salt.
Clinamenic
Binary & Tweed
Also I doubt Socrates was as much of a cybernetic narcissist as I am, but then again I am largely unfamiliar with ancient greek culture.
Mr. Tea
Let's Talk About Ceps
Seems a little redundant for the planes to have been flown into the towers both by the hijacker pilots and by remote control, no?
craner
Beast of Burden
...and yet you've demonstrated you know more about it than us, your interlocutors?
luka
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i didnt read it it was too long
Clinamenic
Binary & Tweed
I wouldn't say so. I was just describing the situations in my experience where it has been true, which are few because I am usually conversing with people at least twice my age.