The Cantos

[luka]

and this from a guide to ezra pounds selected cantos

the periplum. the prisoner recalls,in hundreds of details, the long journey through time, space, art and politics that has ended in the DTC. he calls it a periplum (properly, periplus) a voyage made without a neat Dantean map, in which one takes ones bearings from point to point, "as the wind veers"... The periplum, his own life, looks as if it might end soon, perhaps on the nearby gallows. he wonders too about the periplum of civilization....

 

[Benny Bunter]

periplum-voyage round a coastline. in the pisan cantos it is sometimes used for a voyage of the mind. here is refers to the journey of the sun "drawing the boats of his planets" like a great admiral.

Remember this from a previous canto, a record of the voyage of some colonialists round the coast of western Africa, where they end up stealing the natives' women

 

[Benny Bunter]

Hanno the Navigator - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[luka]

only one book here is prepared to make a guess about Lucifer in North Carolina "perhaps is imagining Venus, the morning star descending in the west over North Carolina"

 

[luka]

only one book here is prepared to make a guess about Lucifer in North Carolina "perhaps is imagining Venus, the morning star descending in the west over North Carolina"

another says, and i don't know if this checks out yet

The canto moves almost imperceptibly through the early morning hours, as Venus and her stars give way to an "aureate sky" and finally to a light by which we can observe "the green world"

 

[luka]

this is the poem if anyone is interested

The Cantos Project - LXXIV -poem

The Cantos Project is dedicated to the research of Ezra Pound's long poem The Cantos

ezrapoundcantos.org

 

[luka]

Though I was hoping to copy and paste the Ancient Greek from there but it's not replicated. in any case, OU TIS, No Man, the name Odysseus gives to the Cyclops to trick him.

 

[luka]

sorella la luna- sister moon, from St. Francis

Canticle of the Sun - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[luka]

from Vegetable Empire

Hello Sun! Hello Sky!
Hello drifting cloud! hello trees, hello grass,
O! hello mossy rock!

 

[luka]

Zuan Bellin is the painter Giovanni Bellini. Duccio de Buoninsegna, another painter, very early 1278-1319
Sigismundo you've met before presumably

Sigismondo Pandolfo Malatesta - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[luka]

precise definition also has cropped up before in relation to confucious

The men of old wanting to clarify and diffuse throughout the empire that light which comes from looking straight into the heart and then acting, first set up good government in their own states; wanting good government in their states, they first established order in their own families; wanting order in the home, they first disciplined themselves; desiring self-discipline, they rectified their own hearts; and wanting to rectify their hearts, they sought precise verbal definitions of their inarticulate thoughts [the tones given off by the heart]; wishing to attain precise verbal definitions, they set to extend their knowledge to the utmost. This completion of knowledge is rooted in sorting things into organic categories.
5.
When things had been classified in organic categories, knowledge moved toward fulfillment; given the extreme knowable points, the inarticulate thoughts were defined with precision [the sun's lance coming to rest on the precise spot verbally]. Having attained this precise verbal definition [aliter, this sincerity], they then stabilized their hearts, they disciplined themselves; having attained self-discipline, they set their own houses in order; having order in their own homes, they brought good government to their own states; and when their states were well governed, the empire was brought into equilibrium.

 

[luka]

i dont have a reference for trastevere. capitalised it's a district of Rome meaning, beyond the Tiber.

La Sposa/Sponsa Cristi - the bride(the Church)/bride of Christ

 

[luka]

Though I was hoping to copy and paste the Ancient Greek from there but it's not replicated. in any case, OU TIS, No Man, the name Odysseus gives to the Cyclops to trick him.

obviously "you who have passed the pillars and outward from Herakles"
the periplum again, the voyage of Odysseus

 

[luka]

only one book here is prepared to make a guess about Lucifer in North Carolina "perhaps is imagining Venus, the morning star descending in the west over North Carolina"

there's an article here i can't access

WHY LUCIFER "FELL" IN N. CAROLINA: AN ALTERNATIVE VIEW on JSTOR

EVA HESSE, WHY LUCIFER "FELL" IN N. CAROLINA: AN ALTERNATIVE VIEW, Paideuma: Modern and Contemporary Poetry and Poetics, Vol. 20, No. 1/2 (Spring & Fall 1991), pp. 91-93

www.jstor.org

 

[luka]

all my books avoid trying to explain 'Charlie Song' but there's a reference here

A History of Modernist Poetry

A History of Modernist Poetry examines innovative anglophone poetries from decadence to the post-war period. The first of its three parts considers formal and contextual issues, including myth, politics, gender, and race, while the second and third parts discuss a wide range of individual poets...

books.google.co.uk

Charlie Soong - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

they think Pound confused him with his son T.V Soong

T. V. Soong - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[luka]

T'ang history apparently signalling the time of Ch'eng T'ang who understood 'the distributive function of money'

 

[Benny Bunter]

this is Manes who was tanned and stuffed

Mani (prophet) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Bahram I, a follower of the intolerant Zoroastrian reformer Kartir, began to persecute the Manichaeans. He incarcerated Mani, who died in prison within a month, in 274.[24] According to sources, he passed his last days comforting his visiting disciples, teaching that his death would have no other consequence than the return of his soul to the realm of light.[5]

Mani's followers depicted Mani's death as a crucifixion in a conscious analogy to the crucifixion of Jesus; al-Biruni says that Bahram ordered the execution of Mani. There is a story which claims that he was flayed, and his corpse suspended over the main gate of the great city of Gundeshapur;[25] however, there is no historical basis for this account

Ok, so this also ties in with the stuff about the war against the Cathars in a previous canto, can't remember which.

 

[luka]

if you want to be thorough you can read this

ABC of Economics (1933), Part 1 | Counter-Currents

2,306 words Part 1 of 5 The aim of this brochure is to express the fundamentals of economics so simply and clearly that even people of different economic schools and factions will be able to understand each other when they discuss them. After about forty pages I shall not ‘descend’, but I shall...

counter-currents.com

apologies if im linking to a fascist site as seems fairly likely

 

[luka]

incidentally that single page of the poem has taken me 2 hours and 20 minutes. and that was just the shallowest of googling and quoting from books

 

[luka]

Probably the only economic problem needing emergency solution in our time is the problem of distribution. There are enough goods, there is superabundant capacity to produce goods in superabundance. Why should anyone starve?

That is the crude and rhetorical question. It is as much our question as Hamlet’s melancholy was the problem of the renaissance dyspeptic.

And the answer is that nobody should. The ‘science’ or study of economics is intended to make sure no one does.

There is Enough​

How are you going to get it from where it is, or can be, to where it is not and is needed?

from the ABC of Economics

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