Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
these are separate books by the way, Dee Dee Ramone wasn't involved with the CIA in Pakistan (or if he has that part of the book was censored by his handlers)
I could half-believe it about Johnny Ramone, you know.

 

IdleRich

IdleRich
reading Dee Dee Ramone's book. not exactly a master of literary style. but it is interesting thinking through the connections, specifically: his mum living through hitler and WWII in Berlin; his mum and dad being violent alcoholics fighting with one another; growing up in shitholes in bombed out post-WWII bermancy; and then going from place to place in the east village in nyc searching for heroin, which also would have looked bombed out even if it wasn't. the inter-generational drugs thing and the echoes of WWII.

there's also an interesting thing of him being part of what in retrospect looks like a weird temporary cultural quirk, the 70s to 90s valorization of people with bad drug problems, pretty bad behaviour all round, antisocial dickheads basically, that i feel is now well and truly over.
Fat White Family are a bit of a throwback to that- and I suppose the reason that some people see that as somewhat refreshing or unusual is that now it's relatively uncommon, but at the same time everyone going "yawn, seen it all before" is equally correct. Relevant here cos Lias' book is just out and I'm... not reading it, but probably I will at some point.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
Question about Cities of Night - as well as the fairly standard slang of the time, Rechy uses what I take to be his own coinages, mainly based around joining words together to change emphasis and meaning. The most common of these is youngman which is distinct from a young man and which he uses specifically to designate a male hustler. In fact the main categories in his world are; youngman meaning hustler - often straight or claiming to be straight although they fear growing old and moving to one of the other categories, score as in someone who pays for sex, and queers by whom he normally means men who meet other men without money changing hands, and then queens who are not exactly in the same game but occupy the same space and need a designation.

Anyway, my question is about the song YMCA, I have heard it several times lately, mainly due to Trump, and every time I do the Youngman bit jumps out at me. Of course it could just be coincidence but its usage to describe the same scene in NY of gay men, temporary accommodation etc but it's hardly stretch to think the songwriters from Village People might have read and been influenced by such a famous bit of gay literature.
 
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forclosure

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Fat White Family are a bit of a throwback to that- and I suppose the reason that some people see that as somewhat refreshing or unusual is that now it's relatively uncommon, but at the same time everyone going "yawn, seen it all before" is equally correct. Relevant here cos Lias' book is just out and I'm... not reading it, but probably I will at some point.
i mean as far as rock and arguably pop musicians sure but rap that's still going on
 

forclosure

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As for me the last book i read was Jack Vance's Lyonesse and it serves as an interesting contrast to Moon Witch, Spider King which i just got yesterday and i saw him talk about down South Bank with Ekow Eshun (Kodwo Eshun's brother)
 

forclosure

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i've now moved onto Mark Lanegan's Sing Backwards and Weep which is harrowing in the way @IdleRich says but he definitely puts to bed the idea of there being any kind of glamour with drug use.

There's a lack of real self pity here and the section i'm at now where he's talking about being in Screaming Trees its a shock they even lasted so long cause they were always physically fighting one another, on long exhausting tours and Mark basically said that he only stayed in the band because he so desperatly wanted to get away from his home town despite thinking the lyrics were embarassing and the guitartist who wrote the songs was a egotistical jealous dickhead he does blame himself for that though cause he says in the early days that he should stick with the band.

So there's alot of self critical moments that's nice to read
 

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
Actually reading a book atm for the first time all year.

During COVID isolation I bought and finished a 500 piece Sistine Chapel jigsaw (then bought a 1000 piece one, the frame of which is on my coffeetable and I'm not inclined to finish now). I became interested in what was actually going on in this painting and so I bought this book about it. It's unchallenging but interesting, which is about all I can handle ATM due to mental health shit...

 

forclosure

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There's a lack of real self pity here and the section i'm at now where he's talking about being in Screaming Trees its a shock they even lasted so long cause they were always physically fighting one another, on long exhausting tours and Mark basically said that he only stayed in the band because he so desperatly wanted to get away from his home town despite thinking the lyrics were embarassing and the guitartist who wrote the songs was a egotistical jealous dickhead he does blame himself for that though cause he says in the early days that he should stick with the band.

So there's alot of self critical moments that's nice to read
there's a really MAD bit in this where he talks about getting invited and brought back to an orgy with a guy who when you piece it together is Anthony Keidis's dad

in the end he turns it down
 

william_kent

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there's a really MAD bit in this where he talks about getting invited and brought back to an orgy with a guy who when you piece it together is Anthony Keidis's dad

in the end he turns it down

I read the Kiedis autobiography a couple of weeks before the Lanegan one, and when he got to orgy part I remember thinking "is it?", before realising that it was, and it just confirmed all the bad shit Kiedis mentions about his dad in his book

Lanegan overshares at some points ( like the wanking stuff), but what is interesting is what he doesn't mention - like where he was when Cobain "shot himself"...

I did enjoy the Nick cave anecdote
 

forclosure

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I read the Kiedis autobiography a couple of weeks before the Lanegan one, and when he got to orgy part I remember thinking "is it?", before realising that it was, and it just confirmed all the bad shit Kiedis mentions about his dad in his book

Lanegan overshares at some points ( like the wanking stuff), but what is interesting is what he doesn't mention - like where he was when Cobain "shot himself"...

I did enjoy the Nick cave anecdote
i haven't gotten to those bits yet and yeah the oversharing is a bit much i'm still on board i'm interested to see where this goes, surprised there hasn't been any Jeffrey Lee Pierce stuff so far considering how much he talked about Pierce being an influence and good friend of his
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
Just about to embark on The Lunar Trilogy by Jerzy Zulawski, father of the director of Possession, The Devil, The Third Part of the Night and the famously unfinished psychedelic space opera On The Silver Globe, which was based on this sequence of novels.

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william_kent

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this week I read:

Operation White Rabbit - Dennis McDougal

A very readable story of the DEA takedown of the William Leonard Pickard / Gordon Todd Skinner LSD manufacturing ring. I say DEA, but it was only possible because Todd Skinner ratted out the others to gain immunity for his crimes that were catching up to him - impersonating a Secret Service agent when laundering money at a casino, the impending murder charges for his failed IV experiments on an IT contractor who was setting up some computers at one of his two underground bases, and some other shady business.

This book does a reasonable job of sketching an outline of the clandestine psychedelic chemist scene of the late 90s, but frustratingly there remain details that are not filled in. I would have liked to have read more about the supplier of ET ( ergotamine tartrate, essential precursor for LSD synthesis ), who allegedly had face-off style surgery to completely change his appearance, the alleged plot by Pickard to assassinate the ET supplier's right hand man, Pickard's involvement with the CIA in a plot to recover stinger missiles stolen by the Afghan military in exchange for the release of a major heroin importer, a plot which involved importing tonnes of smack into the US and then arresting the hapless mule, etc.,

The CIA involvement gets glossed over in favour of emphasising Skinner's various dealings with the DEA which he seemed to think were a get out of jail free card, but this backfired on him once his teenage bride, the goth stripper Kystle Cole, the DMT enema girl ("it burns!" ) and her teenage boyfriend, Brad, go the DEA and Skinner finds out, lures them to a hotel room and then tortures Brad for a week or so with the help of Krystle:

He remembered Krystle looming over him in a white robe, conducting some sort of seance.

"While I was being tortured, she would chant prayers over my body, offering my soul up as a sacrifice to Satan", he said.

[...]

But Todd dreamed up the cruelty coup d'etat. It began by wrapping a telephone cord around his scrotum, then using it to lever the full weight of his unconscious body off the bed. His fury unslaked, Todd next wrapped the cord around Green's penis. Bracing his foot on the boy's stomach, Skinner jerked the cord again until he heard the cartilage snap, crackle, then pop.

This whole torture episode takes up about one paragraph in Krystle Cole's self-serving memoir, Lysergic, which I also read this week: "Todd was mean to me as well!" Which may explain how she walked away scot free from Burning Man the day before Todd was caught with 400 thousand MDMA pills. Everyone in this scene seems to have snitched on everyone else.

Lysergic is a bit of a mess, consisting of a short memoir of Krystle's time with Todd Skinner, where she paints herself as an innocent stripper, naive and unaware that the underground missile silo is also being used as a lab supplying "90% of the world's LSD" ( according to the DEA, who are no strangers to exaggeration). The rest of the book is padded out by Todd's whining letters sent to her from his prison cell, where he moans about his benzo withdrawal, the size of the pencils he is forced to write with, the cost of postage, and how dare Brad complain that Todd snapped his penis, along with long boring passages where he tries to show off how intelligent he is by describing his equations for playing the markets ( translates to "buy low, sell high" ), Prynne style organic chemistry lessons ( bonding lattices, etc., ), and obvious coded messages for where his stashes are secreted. Excuse me, Todd doesn't have "stashes", he has "libraries" ( a suitcase full of drugs to you and me ).

Both these books have an interesting subplot involving the owner of a high end audio retailer trying to recover the $120, 000 - $200, 000 stereo system that was installed in one of the missile silos, and which Todd then failed to pay for. Disturbingly, when Krystle mentions what they played on the stereo it was Enigma and Deep Forest. It's almost like drugs can rot your brain.

I'm currently reading Operation: Trip to Oz by Guy J. Hargreaves, a mess of a book which attempts to describe the same story from the DEA perspective. However, it does contain some glowing descriptions of his agent heroes such as:

the legendary Frank White, who when asked during a trial why he'd shot a notorious Florida drug-dealer nine times, responded: "Nine? Because I ran out of bullets." Frank White became known as the "Dirty Harry" of DEA as he reportedly placed a total of over 30 rounds into the bodies of drug traffickers during his DEA career.

The one good thing about the Operation: Trip to Oz is that it is free on amazon kindle, although I downloaded an ePub version from another site.

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WashYourHands

Cat Malogen
Dreaming in Yellow by Harry Harrison

What a blast. A series of personal story arcs converge into a riotous sound system, DiY. Harry brings these unfolding personalities and places into the free party arena. Every cunt and their dogs knows the stories behind acid house. Instead of romantic notions of pastoralist pastimes, he digs into the heterogeneous attitudes of very different social domains that coalesced under a new banner.

I wish he’d pushed on a bit, why things regressed into heroin and whatever else, although not entirely needed. One of the best sections is on the Moreton lighthouse party near Liverpool. Defies belief, even now. Overall, he sticks to the early years and the book doesn’t really pass 1995/96. Nonetheless, a testimony to agency
 

WashYourHands

Cat Malogen
On late late lunches (any other time is flattened) - The Lieutenant of Inishmore, reading, not performing

Punches deep into madness, cats, psychos, dads and son, trauma and sick gags. 60+ pages

Is it sensationalist for the sake of it? Yes but the targets are still fully lanced. Is it funny? Very. Never really dug into Mr M’s screenplays for want of an expression, TLOI is a ferocious cat creature
 

jenks

thread death
On late late lunches (any other time is flattened) - The Lieutenant of Inishmore, reading, not performing

Punches deep into madness, cats, psychos, dads and son, trauma and sick gags. 60+ pages

Is it sensationalist for the sake of it? Yes but the targets are still fully lanced. Is it funny? Very. Never really dug into Mr M’s screenplays for want of an expression, TLOI is a ferocious cat creature
I saw a production a few years ago - it was a weirdly dissonant experience- the performances were great and done big gags but lots that I just didn’t find funny at all - I get sacred cows and all that but I couldn’t buy into it.
 
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