oh, on the less poppy side, I saw Rhys Chatham (mid 70s NYC minimalist guitar dude) last night in Toronto play his 1977 (?) "Guitar Trio" with many more than 3 guitars, a drummer, and some string players playing harmonics. Really awesome sound. Really sounded like a totally unpop precursor to Sonic Youth. Rhys himself was charming to boot.
Rock Music - let's be honest
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noel emits
a wonderful wooden reason
This thread actually makes me think (remember) that the stoner / noise / drone / psych / doom side of things has been in very good health for a long time now.
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Do the likes of Do Make Say Think, Godspeed You Black Emperor! (or even Tortoise) count as rock in this context? Just remembered that despite saying I didn't listen to guitars any more in that MBV debate, just since then I've been revisiting and enjoying them. Not quite riff-song-rock, but rock all the same I think... (and in a better prog-ish direction than Gentle Giant?).
matt b
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yeah, but thet're not 'new'. post-rock was played out by 1996, surely? some v.good records were made (some of the german stuff, like kreidler in particular), but it got pretty boring, pretty quickly.
i always thought GYBE! were well overrated
Leo
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i'm not sure my love of oneida can be legitimately justified, i just dig the fact that they can crank out great krautrock jams, crazy psyche jams, art noise (like the insane 14-minute looped "sheets of easter") AND really sweet harmonies ('the eiger"). and i like their attitude, a few schlubby characters who seem to go their own way and are in some respects both very cool and outcasts with the hyper-trend conscious brooklyn scene.
re: liars, it depends on what type of stuff you're into. their early live shows/singles and first cd ("they threw us all in a trench...") hooked me with a great birthday party vibe and are by far the most "musical" things they've done, all angular/art-damaged but sloppy enough to rock, just slightly out-of-control. the second and third/most recent cds aren't really "rock" at all, much more experimental with hardly any guitar. i prefer "drum's not dead" to "they were wrong, so we drowned," but either one of those might be hard to swallow.
i'm not sure my love of oneida can be legitimately justified, i just dig the fact that they can crank out great krautrock jams, crazy psyche jams, art noise (like the insane 14-minute looped "sheets of easter") AND really sweet harmonies ('the eiger"). and i like their attitude, a few schlubby characters who seem to go their own way and are in some respects both very cool and outcasts with the hyper-trend conscious brooklyn scene.
re: liars, it depends on what type of stuff you're into. their early live shows/singles and first cd ("they threw us all in a trench...") hooked me with a great birthday party vibe and are by far the most "musical" things they've done, all angular/art-damaged but sloppy enough to rock, just slightly out-of-control. the second and third/most recent cds aren't really "rock" at all, much more experimental with hardly any guitar. i prefer "drum's not dead" to "they were wrong, so we drowned," but either one of those might be hard to swallow.
I rinsed it off SLSK, otherwise its quite hard to get a copy of- try ebay. Well worth getting though, if you like this sort of thing its hard to imagine it being done better.
Grievous Angel
Beast of Burden
Sorry, Arctic Monkeys - they have the innovation, the songs, and the cool.
Still, they're the exception that proves the rule.
Think Klaxons might be alright though.
mistersloane
heavy heavy monster sound
I would ask for you to up it but I'm not that sort of boy.
gybe were very one dimensional and handwringing.
one good ep in em really.
i went to one of their gigs and a bloke threatened to punch my mate in the face cos he was smoking, they're that dull.
Arctic monkey's have no innovation, (musically or lyrically) very very samey songs (more samey than other indie bands) and are about as cool Bernard Manning.
Klaxons are miles better than Arctic Monkey's, but they're still not amazing by any means, downloaded the Klaxon's album last week, its ok, but its shameful the best track by a long way is the cover of "Not Over Yet" and then again, the original is better. They could really do with a better, crisper production job as well, (and its sequenced pretty badly) but in terms of vaguely gimmicky indie pop records go, its ok.
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MankyFiver
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iknow what you mean, i love dumb, but i love it in an iggy way, where the singer is making it a song by saying crap, the whole riff upon riff strikes me as boring not dumb, kids/men pretending that they are dumb without being in the least bit sexy
yes doom is very un sexy
nihilism
woof
who needs sex when you have mayhem, despair, and death?!?!?!
MankyFiver
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mistersloane
heavy heavy monster sound
Lol at Oasis, but even then I got a soft spot for the first album, the production is great.
It's funny that you don't find doom metal sexy, I really do, I think it's the womby pulsating-ness of the riffs. I don't find it depressing at all, merely a kindof aesthetic which I personally find does it for me when done well.
All the best gigs I've been to I've wanted to fuck straight afterwards, and even at the best best gigs during ( ahem...)...isn;t that what rock n roll is all about, really, when it comes down to it? I'm not saying there shouldn't be other roles for it to play, just that I think it's really really hard to do something simple well, especially if it's repetitive, the discipline involved in just doing one thing over and over and over again. I find alot of indie bands really unsexy, just too clean for me to be interested in them really.
Sorry, I've got sex on the brain lol.
It's funny that you don't find doom metal sexy, I really do, I think it's the womby pulsating-ness of the riffs. I don't find it depressing at all, merely a kindof aesthetic which I personally find does it for me when done well.
All the best gigs I've been to I've wanted to fuck straight afterwards, and even at the best best gigs during ( ahem...)...isn;t that what rock n roll is all about, really, when it comes down to it? I'm not saying there shouldn't be other roles for it to play, just that I think it's really really hard to do something simple well, especially if it's repetitive, the discipline involved in just doing one thing over and over and over again. I find alot of indie bands really unsexy, just too clean for me to be interested in them really.
Sorry, I've got sex on the brain lol.
that's a little harsh, obsessive maybe but there is nothing irrational about disliking this shite
not buying any of these apologias for bloc party/klaxons/arctic monkeys and a lot of this supposedly leftfield stuff is very weak, that 'geisha' lp is just convergse + isis, neither of whom were all that clever in the first place
all of the high end popstpunk reheat can be written off (errase errata are ok i suppose but really, why?)
the rhode island thing seems to be running on empty (lightning bolt excepted)
there are maybe a few interesting things that can be done in these areas, but it's an increasingly ephermeral concern and it seems unlikely that any emerging visionaries are going to work in terms of aetiolated rock forms
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As any kind of vanguard-y new rock, sure post-rock is totally played out. But Do Make Say Think has consistently been releasing interesting albums...