Magick!
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You're a feisty one.. It's hard enough trying to articulate stuff in person never mind trying to type in a small box while in the middle of doing work.
Personally I find the cards can be a good tool for meditation, and that there can at times be a correlation between the act of immersing yourself in the cards imagery and what starts to take place/unravel in the world around you.
luka
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mistersloane
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I started off on the Waite pack and then moved to the Thoth pack, was never interested in divination - I hated what Dante did to them in Canto 20 but I thought it was kinda accurate .
The Tarot just tells you what you already know at the moment you read the cards. I used to like looking at the colours, cos I always found colours difficult. If you have problems with thinking about objects, or visualisation, then they can be useful too - I think you said you did earlier in the thread? - but I found thinking about a brick more useful.
The Tarot just tells you what you already know at the moment you read the cards. I used to like looking at the colours, cos I always found colours difficult. If you have problems with thinking about objects, or visualisation, then they can be useful too - I think you said you did earlier in the thread? - but I found thinking about a brick more useful.
mistersloane
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Ah I didn't know that, thanks!
heh..
Well I've already mentioned above that I like playing around with certain packs of cards (maybe 2 or 3 decks in a whole sea of awfulness). I don't use them for divinatory purposes and would agree somewhat with Mr Sloane's assessment.
I have had interesting things happen when using them as a meditative device, an example would be the two weeks I spent with the Tower card, shortly after this time (about another 2 weeks) I lost my job, on the same day I was supposedly signing a contract on a flat that afternoon, which obviously fell through and a few other things came about in quick succession. This has turned out to be a good thing in hindsight, I think.. (it happened around 4 years ago), but it took a long time for recovery to start.
Obviously this could be down to coincidence, but there does appear to be something happening (judging my a myriad of other things experienced over the years, and not just using Tarot which is quite rare for me) and this is what in effect draws me to Magick, not any sense of attaining 'power', but more as a way of living.
mistersloane
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It meant that I couldn't see colours in my head, in my willed imagination. I had dreams in vivid hallucinatory colours but couldn't do it 'at will', so thought that visualisation wasn't part of my make up either, so I went out of my way to be able to do it, I'm funny like that. I thought it would be useful for writing, for imagining scenes with colour, taste, smell, things that I hadn't experienced so I wasn't purely writing from experience.
Sorry, I thought you might be interested in learning how to do it. It's a large part of the magical process I think, certainly for the Tarot and Kabbalah. Seeing things in 3-D with colours. It kinda helped but what helped most was training to be a mason (building mason, though the similarities were there for me) and we got told how to visualise a brick, which in a minute of telling made more sense to me and helped me see in 3-D in my head better than 4 years of reading magical stuff.
curious to know whether any of you sigil practitioners have "charged" your sigil in this way:
"CHARGING THE SIGIL
There are several ways to do it, one of the most popular is to masturbate and concentrate on the sigil during the climax..."
"CHARGING THE SIGIL
There are several ways to do it, one of the most popular is to masturbate and concentrate on the sigil during the climax..."
That's one of things I don't like about sigils, not wanking per se, but ... The originator of the idea was a a guy called Austin Spare. His work is complex, cryptic, subtle... and says something really fascinating about the mechanics of belief and the way our minds work. The basic mechanics were picked out of his work for the early Chaos magic stuff, as it's quite simple - isolate a desire, focus on it intensely and let it go - and through the magic rubbish-generation of the internet its become this totally crappy dumbed down formula, with all the magick washed out of it.
A lot of people can't seen to think beyond the sigil formula, and these kind of formulas are the exact opposite of the creativity you find in his work.
So now reading about magick on the internet and magical justifications for wanking are fundamentally connected. Coincidence? I think not.
If you want to read about sigils, read Spare.
Martin Dust
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luka
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sorry sloane im with you now reading that back i sound weirdly agressive whcihc wasnt my intention. ive changed my habits, im drinking a lot of coffee and being lucid which makes me a bit blunt or something. i apologise. i like teaching myself to do things i have no aptitude for too, maybe i should give visulaisation a go.
luka
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and again to reiterate what i am really interested in is not what books i should read but in peoples personal experiences and practices. i know i haven't offered much myself. it's something i'd have to think about but as a way to get other people to give something, i suppose i should....