the bowie thread

Mr. Tea

Mr. Tea

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Corpsey said:
Though I wouldn't disagree with Mr Tea's assessment of Thom Yorke's stage-craft, it is quite amusing to see this asserted alongside an admittance of never having seen him perform! :D
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Fair enough - but I did say TY was not, as far as I've ever heard, particularly well known for a megawatt stage presence. I mean, with a few exceptions - Jarvis Cocker springs to mind - indie is not a genre that produces or attracts people with obvious ROCK STAR! charisma. And at its most extreme it can end up positively fetishizing meekness. (Edit: as you say, it's the anti-rock-star rock music.)
 
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Corpsey

Corpsey

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True - in fact, the whole 'idea' of indie seems to be anti-rock star in general. This is presumably why indie music has become so utterly beige.

Meanwhile the concept of 'rock star' makes me think of Jet and Kasabian. Leather jackets and Rolling Stones riffs. URGH.

(As you can tell by my dated references, the last time I paid attention to guitar music was around 2002.)
 
Leo

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rubberdingyrapids said:
http://www.theguardian.com/music/20...uce-record-request-country-star-dwight-yoakam

where does dissensus stand on raw power? the bowie mix or the iggy mix?
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bowie's is the perfect encapsulation of the stooges' drug-fueled nihilistic insanity at the time: cheap sounding, trashy, burnt out. (EDIT: apparently he had only a half-day to mix it so perhaps not his intention, maybe the best that could be salvaged in so short a time).

iggy's mix has more balls but sounds closer to a standard raw rock album.
 
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droid

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Bowies is super skinny - I think his 'producer' rep is highly inflated - Ronson did the Reed LP and Bowie was only added to the credits due to his managers insistence.

Metallic KO is, Ive decided, the best Stooges LP, and by extension, probably the best rock LP of all time.
 
Benny Bunter

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Iggys was the first I heard. It seemed twice as loud and insane as all my other cds. Bowies mix isn't as weak as everyone makes out, but there was no going back after that.
Was a bit disappointed with metallic KO myself - built up to be the craziest live album ever (bottles clanging off guitar strings, blood everywhere etc) but you can hardly hear the crowd. Still good tho obviously
 
droid

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There's a very spinal tapish story about Iggy doing the 97 mix and insisting that EVERYTHING be put up to 10, despite protests that he couldnt actually have everything at maximum volume. Its supposedly the loudest CD ever pressed.
 
Leo

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not to derail a bowie thread, but part of what made the stooges so great is that they were such no-holds-barred, devil-may-care fuckups. they were never destined to deliver a good sounding record (i don't count the post-reunion stuff). their legend (and charm) comes partly from always managing to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

now that being said, i happen to think "funhouse" sounds amazing (although not "good" by normal rock standards), and that is IMHO the best rock LP of all time.
 
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droid

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baboon2004

Darned cockwombles.
droid said:
A must watch. I love this kind of stuff.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03g18sx?
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That was inspiring, thanks. The Brian Eno-Robert Fripp interplay is where a lot of the magic is happening, then... that FX-ed guitar line is the core of what makes the whole song special, for me

Visconti seems a nice guy, apart from the cheating-on-his-wife stuff. The look he gets in his eyes at about 10.00 - he's definitely right back in 1977.
 
droid

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Eno's synths sound amazing - you can really hear why the that album sounds so dense. There's layers of stuff that's more or less inaudible but contributes hugely to tone and mood.
 
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baboon2004

Darned cockwombles.
"Heroes" is one of those tracks where I never even questioned what the individual tracks were, largely because my ear isn't good enough to pick it all apart. Fascinating to see it broken down though, now that I know the song so well.

Do you have links to any similar breakings down of famous/seminal tracks? It's like the Sound on Sound 'Classic Tracks' feature as TV show.
 
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