Mr. Tea

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I can just about buy Jaime as utterly amoral (as distinct from evil per se) in that he's driven only by his love for Cersei and their children. Well, child, these days. Which is why I think the writers fucked up so badly by making his reunion with Cersei after his lengthy captivity so nonconsensual. Every scene where they're together since then has had this unspoken feel of "Oh sorry about that time I raped you, btw" "Ah, don't mention it" about it.
 
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Corpsey

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It's funny, I don't even expect the show to make sense anymore. I didn't even care that much that Arya's storyline resolved itself in a completely nonsensical manner: stabbed in the guts, manages to escape and SURVIVE, chased through the city, lands on the concrete and obviously fucks herself up, runs down to the room where she'd hidden the sword for some reason...? The only way it sort of makes sense is if she was deliberately waiting around for the waif to attack her so she could lure her in, but even then it doesn't really make sense. And then Jacquen is fine with it? And she doesn't kill him? I don't get it.

It's a shame cos Arya's storyline was one of the best at one point and I was excited about her being trained to be a faceless man. And it has been pretty much end-to-end shite.
 

Mr. Tea

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It's funny, I don't even expect the show to make sense anymore. I didn't even care that much that Arya's storyline resolved itself in a completely nonsensical manner: stabbed in the guts, manages to escape and SURVIVE, chased through the city, lands on the concrete and obviously fucks herself up, runs down to the room where she'd hidden the sword for some reason...? The only way it sort of makes sense is if she was deliberately waiting around for the waif to attack her so she could lure her in, but even then it doesn't really make sense. And then Jacquen is fine with it? And she doesn't kill him? I don't get it.

It's a shame cos Arya's storyline was one of the best at one point and I was excited about her being trained to be a faceless man. And it has been pretty much end-to-end shite.

Yeah, I was pretty much yelling "WHAT???" after she just swam off (in a river that must have five thousand types of shit in it) having been severely punctured in the mid-regions. I think your survival odds after that would be not exactly optimal even with today's medicine, let alone in a world more or less equivalent to the real-world middle ages.

And the thing with her extinguishing the candle to give herself an advantage, having trained for so long while blind, would have been cool IF THERE HAD BEEN ANY EXPLANATION FOR THE CANDLE BEING LIT IN THE FIRST PLACE.
 
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Mr. Tea

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Also, is anything further going to happen with the Dorne storyline? It was built up at the end of the last series and first episode of this one into being a major plot turn but it's just sort of been parked.
 

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
Also, is anything further going to happen with the Dorne storyline? It was built up at the end of the last series and first episode of this one into being a major plot turn but it's just sort of been parked.

I hope not, it's bloody awful.

'Bad poosi' has become THE legendary bad line of the whole show.
 

Mr. Tea

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Only GoT could get an uplifting ending out of a man being eaten alive by his own dogs.

:)

Yeah, that was fucking rad, wasn't it?

Ok, hands up if you're really hoping Yara and Denise T decide to lez it up big time...
 
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Corpsey

bandz ahoy
I'd rather Missandei than Yara if I'm being honest. And Sansa. And Cersei. And Margaery. And Melisandre.

I think I need to take a quick toilet break.
 

droid

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Excellent episode. Disappointed with the fate of the Blackfish (as it seems anyway) last week, and Rickon and many others who are now seemingly being tidied away. Also seems like there will be no Lady Stoneheart on the TV show.
 

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
Yeah Rickon's death wasn't the emotional blow it should have been, because he said about three things in the history of the show and I didn't care if he died. Also, RUN IN A ZIG ZAG YOU FOOL.
 

droid

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3 dragons theory starting to seem more credible now. Tyrion, Dany & Jon as the targaryen trio.
 

Mr. Tea

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My girlfriend very astutely pointed out that Yer Red Wumman might not be too long for this world now that Ser Davos has some inkling of what happened to his beloved Shireen Baratheron, having been on his mission to Castle Black when she was burned and I guess just assumed she died in the battle or was killed by Bolton men afterwards.

Also, RUN IN A ZIG ZAG YOU FOOL.

I was thinking just this. I guess it's easier to think clearly when you're watching TV than running for your life before a huge army of sadists. But yeah, hard to give too much of a shit about really, given that he was such an inconsequential character, except that it's one more thing for Sansa and Jon to be miserable about.
 

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
I reckon Davos is going to have a go at killing her but is she too important to die? What with the war between fire and ice really ramping up and her magical powers proven by Jon's resurrection?

Plus the fact that she's actually an ancient crone has got to come into play somehow, right?
 

Mr. Tea

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I reckon Davos is going to have a go at killing her but is she too important to die? What with the war between fire and ice really ramping up and her magical powers proven by Jon's resurrection?

Plus the fact that she's actually an ancient crone has got to come into play somehow, right?

I thought no-one in GoT was "too important to die"?

You could be right, of course, I mean it just depends on how crucial she actually is in what I assume is going to be some kind of Dragons vs White Wankers grand showdown. It's interesting that she's sort of lost faith in her own powers on account of having got it so wrong about Stannis, but is clearly still a believer in the Lord of Light and is still a beneficiary of his favours.

In fact, does anyone else find interesting the disjunct between the show's marked anti-clericism and the fact that characters like Melisandre presumably get their powers because gods, or something like gods, nonetheless clearly exist?
 
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Mr. Tea

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Can it be taken as universal that the Ironborn are everyone's least favourite culture in the Throneiverse? I mean, they're just shit, aren't they? It's not that they're a bunch of thieves, rapists and murderers, because that applies to most ethnic and political groups in the show, it's more their utter lack of any kind of visual charm or flair whatsoever. They have none of the macho-camp nu-metal exuberance of the Dothraki, none of the biker-Viking old-metal appeal of the Wildlings, nor the decadent Borgia-esque panache of the Lannisters. The Dornish lot may be rubbish but at least some of them are nice to look at.
 

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
Not a bad season overall but that episode was monumentally entertaining. They know how to crowd please.

The fate of Mrs Shame Nun was highly disturbing to me. Being left alone with the zombie. The way they only partly showed his face was chilling as fuck.

Cersei's smile after blowing up the sept was fucking chilling as well.

Davos vs Red Lady was brilliantly acted by Davos.

Arya's assassination, very well done but I was confused. Did she get the face swapping thing granted for killing the waif?

And the Jon Snow revelation! Beautiful stuff.
 
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Mr. Tea

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Cersei's smile after blowing up the sept was fucking chilling as well.

Did you watch the little bit of writers' commentary at the end? One of them made a point which I'm sure has occurred to many watchers already, which is that Cersei's love for her children was the one thing that humanized her. With Tommen dead - and you'll surely have noticed that she accepted it more with resignation than any particular shock or even any readable sadness - she's basically turned into the Terminator. Even Jaime looked kind of scared when he saw her being crowned on the Iron Throne.

Arya's assassination, very well done but I was confused. Did she get the face swapping thing granted for killing the waif?

Nah, if you remember she'd done it before, when she killed horrible beardy Ser Nonce when he went to the whorehouse and kept sending away girl after girl for being "too old".

And the Jon Snow revelation! Beautiful stuff.

Wasn't it great? You could feel a collective "ah-HA!" from millions of fans watching it all over the world, couldn't you? My only gripe is that the guy playing the young Ned Stark doesn't look much like Sean Bean, but I'll allow it.
 

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
Nah, if you remember she'd done it before, when she killed horrible beardy Ser Nonce when he went to the whorehouse and kept sending away girl after girl for being "too old".

Yeah I did forget that, and now I'm still more confused. Did she defy Jacquen to pull the Ser Nonce (lol) murder off? I don't really get how she learned to do that BEFORE she was allowed to become a faceless man. I don't really get if she IS a faceless man now. That storyline was confusing and mostly boring. But obviously now she's back in Westeros with that superpower it's pretty exciting.

She took the trouble of making a pie out of the two sons and then let him eat only a few nibbles, though! Let him have a good bellyful, won't you?

At some point we'll have to rank the top 10 deaths you'd least like to personally experience in GoT. I'm putting raped to death by an undead monster near the top, at least.
 
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