yyaldrin

in je ogen waait de wind
My touchstones here are xennakis bernard parma ham and late jh prynne

it is that what makes you disorientated because there are no railings to hold on to? would you say gamelan is also that? because i feel it is at the same time very human too. or maybe human and anti-human at the same time. well i dunno.

 

luka

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This is a poem by Prynne (I opened the book at random) called Thanks for the Memory

An increase in the average quantity
of transmitter (or other activating substance
released from the VRS) arriving
at the postsynaptic side over an extended
period of time (minutes to days) should lead
to an augmentation in the number of receptor sites
and an expansion of the postsynaptic
receptor region, through conversion of receptor
monomers into receptor
polymers and perhaps some increase in
the synthesis of monomers. [None
of these ideas bears upon the
chemical basis for depolarization
induced by acquisition
of transmitter
by receptor
There is evidence
 

luka

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Of course that one is really just a joke. The opening stanza of red d gypsum is a better example

Now trek inter-plate reversion to earth buy out
as waters buried or get carrier up ready put
across gypsum branch effaced
for don't look now to demand new birds in talent
from turf stripped to fibre. Rip brace out here
on the fringe reckless bestowing taint by the mart
chosen, tamper nickel token lunge to bite you may
cover down over, a flawless glucose shimmered sky.
 

yyaldrin

in je ogen waait de wind
i liked this one but it's probably one of his "easiest", more traditional ones and no good example at all of what you mean with antihuman

over the ferny leaf-blades lying close to
the bank and now deeper green from the dry
weather a network of bright gossamer threads,
woven close together and catching the slant
evening sun so as to shimmer with a soft,
trembling brilliancy; we both remarked on it...
 

luka

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Well what position does it put you in as reader? What is the relationship? How does it differ from a 'proper poem'? Don't think. Just tell me the answer. It's not a puzzle. It's a thing.
 

luka

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I'd really insist on this piece of homework I think it's vital for anyone wishing to live in the 21st century
 

luka

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It's not a trap and there's no wrong answer because I'm not asking you to figure out a meaning. What is the meaning of a thunderstorm, a rock, a black hole, a geological formation, continental drift, change in the climate, economic cycles, car manufacture?
 

luka

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There is a specific lesson, something me and 3rd eant to communicate, in this thread and it's central to where we are now and where we might go and it's nothing to do with whether or not you like any given electro record. It's a kind of intellectual-perceptual manuvere executable by anyone
 

luka

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What we are all leaving behind here is a notion of art as a limited number of buttons which being pressed give rise to a corresponding number of effects, and these being all neatly demarcated and known be it melancholy titillation or the uncanny and nor are we impressed with advanced practioners who have learned to press more than one button at once.
 

thirdform

pass the sick bucket
Wrt deLillo - well, if the way you want to resist capitalism is to be an individualist famous writer, of course you're going to get co-opted because capitalism fetishises the 'exceptional' individual. Plays right into its hands. You have to resist as part of the collective in order to avoid this logic - and the collective IS the machine.

So antihumanism could be seen, as someone has said upthread, as music/art from the perspective of the machine - from the perspective of the workers who are the machine, from our perspective (unless Jeff Bezos is lurking here) when we see ourselves at a macro-level, rather than from that well-worn (cynical?) romantic perspective of us as free beings that dominates pop culture. And maybe that's why antihumanism can feel so emotive even when it's anti-emotional. The world is antihuman.

Brilliant thread: Thirdform you have really brought the obscure tunes here. Hardly heard any of these, and 90% killer.

yep. we are no longer workers. we have left that stage behind. we are only pure proletarians now. there is no workers dignity to realise. there is a new way of relating to each other to realise. that is the resistance. unfortunately capitalism being such a totalised system there are many people on the left (let's say corbynists and the like) who still believe there is a workers dignity to realise. and that's precisely why they can't understand that we want shit to be automated, we want to earn more and work less, we want to be the machines, we don't want people dictating to us what we can and can't do with the machines lest we starve. that's the human soul element. a boss telling you what use this machine must be put to. socialism will abolish both the boss and the enterprise (and thereby the proletarian class.)
 

thirdform

pass the sick bucket
encourage the masses to see art in the same way they are encouraged to see wealth - that a few people created it all on their own in isolation, and that they hence deserve all the plaudits and all the wealth.


well that's the history of nuum musics in a nutshell isn't it. the majors try to make it 'progressive' and thereby miss the point don't they, it's not even that jungle got too jazzy or whatever, there were jazz echoes even as early as 93. the problem is they had to create the jungle artist rather than jungle itself being 'the art.'
 

thirdform

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This is why one of my mottoes is

You can't do it by yourself


Well this is wh i think autechre are electro. yes they depart from the dj mix format but without mantronix or maggatron or all the other cats they simply wouldn't be making the music they do. they would be making that sort of melancholy idm that gets pumped out especially stateside where it's basically neoclassical or childlike melodies over glitch hip hop beats. dire stuff!

Whereas Autechre has always been electro. I can prove it as well, I'll upload a live set from 2005.
 
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luka

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What we are all leaving behind here is a notion of art as a limited number of buttons which being pressed give rise to a corresponding number of effects, and these being all neatly demarcated and known be it melancholy titillation or the uncanny and nor are we impressed with advanced practioners who have learned to press more than one button at once.

This incidently is one of the major arguments of a book called vegetable empire in which these buttons or pre-sets are rendered as dictions and the dictions as characters or SHELLS. As for instance the English schoolboy lyric poet

"Hello sun! Hello sky!
Hello drifting cloud! Hello trees! Hello grass,
O! Hello mossy rock:
 

thirdform

pass the sick bucket
it is that what makes you disorientated because there are no railings to hold on to? would you say gamelan is also that? because i feel it is at the same time very human too. or maybe human and anti-human at the same time. well i dunno.



there are antihuman elements in certain devotional musics from their sheer cosmic ambition. like there are those tendancies where there is a greater than your body feeling. some coltrane can get there.

i don't think spirituality or even forms of gnostic religion are incompatible with the antihuman, what is incompatible is organised christianity or organised islam in the 21st century as it fundamentally depends on directly patriarchal and exploiter values to enforce its dominance. But I wouldn't really consider gnostic religion 'religion proper' anyway tbh.
 
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thirdform

pass the sick bucket
conversely something like the melodies played on the ney, though often very beautiful is a very human and established spirituality. it's spirituality is of the homely kind. beautiful instrument but I've not heard it ever being used in an antihuman or truly cosmic way. What we're trying to say is the home as a refuge no longer exists.
 
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