Who's the Best Artist Since 2000?

luka

luka

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My reading of the Prynne line is that imagination, like perception, does two things, has two modes. One is to witness. In this sense imaginAtion is astral travel. We use the body of light to travel to another place and explore it.


The second mode is when imagination becomes what it perceives. That to imagine a river is to become a river. To feel that specific quality of movement and integration, that speed, that flow.

There are places which, for one reason or another, seem barred, temporarily or permanently, to the imagination. When we try to astral travel there we find ourselves shut out, resisted. This can happen as we travel back in time for instance, in our own personal history, in the history of our society, world, universe. It can happen at certain scales, microscopic to vast. It can happen at the level of material process, The formation of molecules for instance. Some things we can imagine without much effort, rock formed out of layers of sediment, sands, dead plants and animals, others are more opaque and dense.
 
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There are stories which we trace back and forward through time, always uncovering a little more, pushing back against the unknowing which resists us. Personal stories. Universal stories.
 
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So the margin of discovery is for us, personally, our furthest point of exploration, where we have stuck our flag, our temporary limit. The border we butt up against is the fixed zones of matter which resist our probes.
 
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thirdform

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i'm struggling to understand why this is hard to get? jungle is some of the most simple music compositionally, techno even simpler. what we're talking about is the sheer physicality of music here and not its territorialisation in the head. some very human music can coalesce to this anti-human (or should we say greater than human) impulse. east anatolian wedding bands for example. but in terms of that being a real power house it is the machine that powers those impulses. ditto with reggae sound systems.
 
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thirdform

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what we're talking about is your conscious and physiological perception becoming at one with the music. there are certain creative fuck abouts that unintentionally achieve this. concrete, saxophone squalling, rashied ali's drumming, dub of course, some dancehall, but really this is (imo) consummate in chicago acid and 92-94 hardcore jungle.
 
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thirdform

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for instance when i went to see swans it was this great loud guitar tone it was all droney and doomy. should have had me transfixed but... i had to leave the gig early yet there was no compulsion telling me to stay there and sod the train. in fact i emphatically left early. was actually pretty dull looking back, thank god i managed to blag it for free. but say with shackleton or Stingray or a jungle night in south london I've often thought sod it, I'm staying here, I need to lose myself in these waves of energy, I'll figure out how i'm getting back. and no shackleton's not really dubstep lol.
 
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thirdform

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you can be transfixed/as one but you need to be a student in a tariqah. thats long, we like easy electrical fixes.
 
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thirdform

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me and luke are imparting proletarian deepac chopra wisdom to u lot yet you want to take the arduous route of the bloody nobility. beats me!
 
luka

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Do you understand what the presets are?

"What we have left behind is a notion of art as a limited number of buttons which being pressed give rise to a corresponding number of effects, and these being all neatly demarcated and known be it melancholy titillation or the uncanny."
 
luka

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luka said:
Do you understand what the presets are?

"What we have left behind is a notion of art as a limited number of buttons which being pressed give rise to a corresponding number of effects, and these being all neatly demarcated and known be it melancholy titillation or the uncanny."
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"those who wish to limit art to within the boundaries of their own faculties: to recognize only such work as reflects their own attitude to life and aesthetics. And this is natural, if unintelligent. A man is unable to see anything other than himself. A mule faced with an El Greco can only glare in a mulish way: can only receive what mules can receive. Similarly, a particular man can see only his own reflection." Mervyn Peake.
 
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sadmanbarty

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sadmanbarty said:
there are two archetypal psychadelias. the womb and orgasm; cognitive obliteration through tranquility and through over stimulation respectively.
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thirdform said:
the cosmic overpowering... what we're talking about is your conscious and physiological perception becoming at one with the music. there are certain creative fuck abouts that unintentionally achieve this. concrete, saxophone squalling, rashied ali's drumming, dub of course, some dancehall, but really this is (imo) consummate in chicago acid and 92-94 hardcore jungle.
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thirdform, i’ve finally figured out our conundrum.

in the above two quotes we’re talking about the exact same phenomenon. we’ve both articulated the same thing. we’re both after the same end goal. i wholly understand what it means to submit, to become information signals, to become energy, to be submerged in the bosom of Poseidon, etc. so no need for any more ‘barty doesn’t understand what i’m talking about’ stuff.


the difference is not with the ends itself, but rather about what music triggers it for us.

some of the music i like is too entangled with cultural signifiers of thomas cook minstrel holiday reps for you to appreciate.

likewise some of the music you like makes me think of dungeons and dragons blokes with ponytails dressing like school shooters in oversized trench coats and thinking they’re in the matrix.

more to the point, luke’s probably made up loads of stuff about me just to wind you up.

so that particular point of contention should be cleared up now.


this do anything for you?:

 
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thirdform

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sadmanbarty said:
thirdform, i’ve finally figured out our conundrum.

in the above two quotes we’re talking about the exact same phenomenon. we’ve both articulated the same thing. we’re both after the same end goal. i wholly understand what it means to submit, to become information signals, to become energy, to be submerged in the bosom of Poseidon, etc. so no need for any more ‘barty doesn’t understand what i’m talking about’ stuff.


the difference is not with the ends itself, but rather about what music triggers it for us.

some of the music i like is too entangled with cultural signifiers of thomas cook minstrel holiday reps for you to appreciate.

likewise some of the music you like makes me think of dungeons and dragons blokes with ponytails dressing like school shooters in oversized trench coats and thinking they’re in the matrix.
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Course we're talking about the same thing! psychedelia is a helix :love: :love:

That's what I've been trying to do. decondition you from the dungeons and dragons signifiers. did dungeons and dragons exist in the gay black clubs where acid house was invented? whereas thomas cook minstrel holiday reps is a time honoured trope in music.
 
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