The Dissensus Framework

luka

luka

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One of the key binaries Barty is using is the zoom in/pan out binary and at the endpoint of each trajectory, the obliteration of self, the white light, the limit. Consciousness narrowed to extreme reductive focus on one thing or expanded to encompass Everything. This is not something which needs explaining as we are all very familiar with this process. We switch between these modes and points in between perpetually.
 
Corpsey

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
There I am, on page 6, not understanding.

Transmigration of the soul - in every thread, I appear, I have been here before, not understanding
 
Corpsey

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
I use the word 'prelapsarian' there, a word I would never use now, because I have forgotten it and don't really know what it means now.

Words never stick with me anymore - they slide like fried eggs stuck precariously to a kitchen wall, down into the dust
 
Corpsey

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
Mind you this was a great thread, a good read - the golden period of Feb 2018, I'd recently read Paradise Lost, and still had acid to come!

We fetishize (justifiably/nobly) innovation and honour it in the past just as we yearn for it in the present.

Can you tell I'm now high and have been reading paradise lost all day?
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Not derailing this thread m8 I want to engage with these ideas
 
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sadmanbarty

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luka said:
One of the key binaries Barty is using is the zoom in/pan out binary
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internal vs external is a part of this.

masculinity as sympathetic nervous system would mean it's concerned with responding to external stimuli whereas the parasympathetic nervous system that i've connected to femininity is about internal processes like digestion.

the womb is internal, orgasms (for blokes) are external.
 
luka

luka

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Corpsey said:
I use the word 'prelapsarian' there, a word I would never use now, because I have forgotten it and don't really know what it means now.

Words never stick with me anymore - they slide like fried eggs stuck precariously to a kitchen wall, down into the dust
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It's a good word. It means before The Fall. Paradise Lost tie-in.
 
luka

luka

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sadmanbarty said:
internal vs external is a part of this.

masculinity as sympathetic nervous system would mean it's concerned with responding to external stimuli whereas the parasympathetic nervous system that i've connected to femininity is about internal processes like digestion.

the womb is internal, orgasms (for blokes) are external.
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Track-
this,
play of perception.


ATTENTION CENTERED INWARD
ATTENTION CENTRED OUTWARD

The play between these two poles
ALL AWARENESS.
ISLE OF IBISES.

The sight which snags the eye,
the voluptuous thought.
SIGHT AND INSIGHT.

How gardens come awake at night
whisper to one another.
Unpeopled stage-sets
where possums play
and trees
conspire
with one another.
Cats conduct clandestine meetings,
stalk imaginary prey…

The act of attention, heightened, until perceiver becomes the perceived
a different set of co-ordinates
a shifting of the centre of awareness
journeying and returning
chasing the involutions of a thought
or the flight path of a swallow.

IMPULSES COALESCE
THEN COLLAPSE
sing. mourn. laugh.
sing.
thin
CARDBOARD REALITY.

THE INTERPLAY OF TWO RAYS

PATTERNS WHICH ENDURE
PATTERNS WHICH DISINTERGRATE.

Time curls up like a woodlouse
Not long left.

https://miracleinvasion.blogspot.com/2011/11/800x600-normal-0-false-false-false-en.html?m=1
 
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Mr. Tea

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
luka said:
"Women are keen to have an orgasm."
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Hence vibrators and whatnot. I think what prompted me to write that post was barty's comment about women's "whole-journey sexuality", which struck me as very essentialist (I don't think there's *no* difference between men and women, but I don't think we're that alien from each other, either) and also sounded like something from the blurb on a book about "erotic self-touch" that you might find in the Mind Body Spirit section of Waterstones.
 
Mr. Tea

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
sadmanbarty said:
very specific tea. which branch of waterstones?
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Oh come on, as if I would have to read a book like that.

Actually I think we could all write a pretty good volume of this sort between us. Corpse could contribute a section on "The pleasures of one's own wank-pit". I'd have luka write a chapter on "the cum box", obviously. He seems quite up on interracial cuckold porn too, for some reason.
 
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blissblogger

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luka said:
"Women are keen to have an orgasm."
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That's one of your mate Ben Watson's polemics - in one of his books he makes that very point, in so many words. Very very anti this whole 'floating feminine non-narrative non-directional endless looping circling jouissance" idea, specifically as it is used by theorists to praise minimalist music, your Steve Reichs and Terry Rileys, which he finds tedious and literally point-less. Opposed on the sensual and ideological level to all that Deleuzian oozy-woozy Nineties stuff. David Toop would be his absolute antithesis on every level - music taste, philosophically, politically. A group like Seefeel would drive him up the wall. Ambient music = sedation = emasculation.

Very much a wham-bang, climax-oriented dude and it maps onto his love of Zappa's guitar pyrotechnique (wave your willy bizniz) and his Revolutionary Leninism (history will have a climax)

A man's man i would say, and you can smell that off his prose style
 
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sadmanbarty

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blissblogger said:
r Steve Reichs and Terry Rileys, which he finds tedious and literally point-less. Opposed on the sensual and ideological level to all that Deleuzian oozy-woozy Nineties stuff. David Toop would be his absolute antithesis on every level - music taste, philosophically, politically. A group like Seefeel would drive him up the wall. Ambient music = sedation = emasculation.
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he explained to me how he heard 70's reggae, punk and i guess chess records type stuff all as the same thing. his physicality was like barbed wire as he explained it. he spoke of them as sharp and aggressive. i think the bass/weed end of reggae's completely lost on him. it'd be all the trebbly-ness he's listening to.
 
luka

luka

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blissblogger said:
That's one of your mate Ben Watson's polemics - in one of his books he makes that very point, in so many words. Very very anti this whole 'floating feminine non-narrative non-directional endless looping circling jouissance" idea, specifically as it is used by theorists to praise minimalist music, your Steve Reichs and Terry Rileys, which he finds tedious and literally point-less. Opposed on the sensual and ideological level to all that Deleuzian oozy-woozy Nineties stuff. David Toop would be his absolute antithesis on every level - music taste, philosophically, politically. A group like Seefeel would drive him up the wall. Ambient music = sedation = emasculation.

Very much a wham-bang, climax-oriented dude and it maps onto his love of Zappa's guitar pyrotechnique (wave your willy bizniz) and his Revolutionary Leninism (history will have a climax)

A man's man i would say, and you can smell that off his prose style
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Yes, interesting stuff this. He has a tendency to rant and rave. Deleuze he blames for transsexuals. It's anti-dialectical you see. All these multitudes and middles. Ambient is anti revolutionry and therefore must be destroyed because it represents the myth of timelesssness. Time exits and is important you see. Historical Materialism. Mark used to dress up his arbitary aesthetic judgements in those way too. It's comical but it's also fun. This is what you people did. Come out of Oxbridge. Bang on the door of the music press and demand a job. Demarcate some aesthetic and conceptual territory and furiously defend it. Wave your willies at one another. Denounce. Fulminate. Perhaps it seems quaint now but it worked. It seems a lot more commited, energised and idiosyncratic than todays model. I wouldn't dream of reading music writing now.
 
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