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I read a chunk of it then got sidetracked finishing Lynch on Lynch so I've gone back to the beginning and I'm reading it properly now.
 

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just reserved a copy. i'm reading some other stuff as well (always tend to read a few things at the same time nowadays unless it's something BIG and SIGNIFICANT).

i enjoyed 'naked lunch', a lot more than i thought i would, so i think more Burroughs might be worth pursuing.
 

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It's hard not to think of the internet when he talks of 'cutting the enemy off your line'. They've come up with a system where they don't even need to get on your line anymore, millions of us are already plugged into theirs.
 

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Naborhood in Aqualungs

This one seems to be a cut-up or fold-in of the previous section - So Pack Your Ermines - and some other stuff. The main thing I got from the two of them was the constant mentions of metals, gases, liquids, colours and minerals. He keeps talking about suffocating people, carbon dioxide, silver, aqualungs, diving suits, ice, sapphires, emeralds, people turning blue, acid.

Limestone John luring people into the amphitheatre in order to suffocate them and paint the scene is an odd one. I had to read it a couple of times as I thought he was spraying the people and the painting was him literally suffocating them with paint rather than filling the place with carbon dioxide and painting the scene on the wall.
 

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Naborhood in Aqualungs

metals, gases, liquids, colours and minerals. He keeps talking about suffocating people, carbon dioxide, silver, aqualungs, diving suits, ice, sapphires, emeralds, people turning blue.

This is a good observation. There is a synethestic use of colour blocks as a shorthand way to invoke realms of experience. Where the oxygen is low and it's cold and we turn blue for instance. At the point at which human life becomes impossible. Below sea, or outside the atmosphere.
 

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What it links back to, this absence of oxygen, these intolerable pressures, these blue mineral regions, these white hot ovens, is the presence of an intruder on our line with interests inimical to our own and craving conditions ruinous for human life. This is how heroin addiction becomes the central metaphor

If you look at the chapter 'this horrible case' you have it spelled out very clearly
 

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this absence of oxygen, these intolerable pressures, these blue mineral regions...

I read this about pressure, colours and minerals the other day.

Real power is not in subjective, apparent power but in the ability to structure, scientifically manipulate, and take and combine. Pynchon is trying to take us away from analyzing things in a way that relies on people’s intentions and beliefs, on cause and effect, verbalized explanations after the fact. This theme comes up all throughout the Rainbow. When Rathenau lists all those parameters - pressures, temperatures, flow rates - those are all things that control what happens in a chemical reactor: you control what comes out by controlling what goes in, and it doesn’t particularly matter if you can visualize what’s going on in there. This is what happens in industrial chemical synthesis.

Pynchon also seems to like the theme of an assertion by structure. A synthetic polymer is a type of massive, repeating structure. He analogizes the 20th century world to a polymeric repetition of death, transforming the “original death” captured in fossil fuels to a deathward structure “favoring death” that continually produces human physical and psychological death. You really have to read the whole episode this way. This is what the description of “purple” is about (it’s the synthetic dye mauvine, which lit off the petrochemical industry). You have these prehistoric living things that died with the indignity of exiting the natural cycle so that humans could come along and tinker with their remains, seemingly redeeming that by making a color that’s more special than all the natural ones. This is basically how he’s describing the 20th century world: a polymeric repetition of death.

When Rathenau says “structures favoring death” are “strongest in compression” - which is how concrete behaves - this is one example of an assertion by structure. The way the atoms are arranged in a mineral like concrete require it to behave in this way. There are other parts of the Rainbow where structures assert themselves, without requiring any human agency to do so. Don’t know if you’ve read this far yet, but you’ll see a part about an oil refinery. It’s only been seemingly destroyed: its structure, combined with the structure emerging from the war, have rationally rearranged themselves in a way determined by their preexisting structures. That would be one perhaps truer nature of synthesis and control.
 

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This stuff about compressing images into the molecule is brilliant, also the stuff about 'coordinate points' and nova criminals jumping along lines of them, body to body. The bit about them taking the most extreme message of one group, playing it back to another then doing the same the other way is apparently more or less what the Russians did with Facebook groups to stir up shit in the US too. They'd set up events and groups which were opposed to each other then real people sympathetic or hostile to them would get into it, turn up to the fake event they'd organised etc.
 

luka

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Yeah the whole world is organised like that social media is that. He talks about this in electronic revolution too. It's a mechanism
 

luka

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The Burroughs thing is we are a site which can be occupied by others are coordinate points our centre of awareness can have others there, with us, on the line, intruders
 

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I can't help but feel that a lot of it is at least in part just one big exercise in trying to shed the guilt of murdering his wife, trying to convince himself that it wasn't really him that did it.
 

luka

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Well it is. But in the course of doing that he discovers very interesting information. I think that's his model of human life is a good one. We are a site of contention. We are the spot of land everyone is fighting to occupy. I think this is the truth of the situation
 

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But what does it mean for you to have done it? What really acted? What are you? What produces your actions? What's going on. What are we?

It's an unimaginable thing to discover, that 'you' have done this terrible thing. It can't be.
 

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I know it's all part of it, but I reckon this is my favourite of the ones I've read as I'm much more interested in his ideas about control, the image etc than all the weird sex, the hangings and so on. It's like reading all the good bits from The Soft Machine without the bits that bored me.
 

luka

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I like the weird sex because it's a way of saying, what is this creature who lusts? What lusting creature do you contain? He does very good breakdowns of Harvey Weinstein types, a specific kind of grotesque snorting hog sexuality
 
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