What Does Spiritual Mean?

shiels

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It’s always a weird experience. Makes you feel a bit exposed. I was at that mark fisher memorial a couple of weeks back and wondered if people from here would be there. It was too packed so I watched from a separate building with awful audio, so could barely make it out. Appreciated that summary on the other thread btw
 
luka

luka

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shiels said:
It’s always a weird experience. Makes you feel a bit exposed. I was at that mark fisher memorial a couple of weeks back and wondered if people from here would be there. It was too packed so I watched from a separate building with awful audio, so could barely make it out. Appreciated that summary on the other thread btw
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Thank you.
 
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Simon silverdollarcircle

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I used to be cold hearted rationalist but I turned to the spiritual path when I realised that the best art/music/writing tended to be made by people who felt that they were somehow in communication/communion with the transcendent.

That was the clincher for me. Like if I listen to Alice Coltrane's music then spirituality just seems self evident.

It's a way of feeling and reacting, not a belief system. Like having a sense of humour is.
 
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Simon silverdollarcircle

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What I find really odd tho is that a lot of the recent resurgence in spirituality is so prosaic and boringly practical.

Wanking on a sigil to get a new job
Casting a spell to find the keys you lost
Fortune telling to know who you'll marry

Obviously on the immediate level it's so asinine and patently untrue. But it's also just weird to me that people can presumably feel in touch with some transcendent spiritual forces and then think to try and use it as a practical tool. It's like falling in love and then immediately thinking "oh wow this is gonna help my career".
 
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sadmanbarty

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You could destinguisjnbwtweem religion and mysticism. Religion is about the practical; hope for the poor, the mourning, etc. Whereas mysticism is touching on the “higher plane” like was talking about.

There of course can be crossover between the two
 
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catalog

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You basically find God as you get older and your body starts to fail you, and you are more reflective on your own failure, and closer to death. You need something beyond you, cos you realise how limited you are, and there's less in the can thanks been spent already. Happens to everyone.
 
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Simon silverdollarcircle

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Yeah agreed. But I'm just continually disappointed that a lot of mystical thinking often bleeds into magical thinking. Magic in the sense of trying to control / corral the forces.

Mysticism to me seems like it should be the opposite of all that. But then you go into esoteric bookshops and it's all bullshit chaos magick
 
shiels

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So what isn’t spiritual? Can some things be more spiritual than others? Ironically I think an immaterial or dualistic spirituality leads to a fetishisation of certain symbols or portals or people as the only means to access the plane. This is what Jesus was on about when he said look under the rock mate, I’m there
 
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blissblogger

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i wish i was more spiritual than i am - i admire / envy people who have that faculty

i can only glimpse it in music.... certain moments in love... and sometimes in a landscape or the weather

over the years i have had a few experiences that felt eerie or magical - that's not quite the same thing as 'spiritual' i don't think, but there's a sense of another dimension or mystery

but yes yes to silverdollarcircle on how musicians in tune with this dimension to existence seem to come up with the goods - and those goods seem to prove the existence of something else, something beyond
 
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shiels

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I feel like it’s more about a between than a beyond. No one person or perspective or way of thinking can fully encompass or articulate this thing. So a spiritual insight can come through falling through the cracks, collapse and confusion, as well as soaring above or comprehension. If this sounds like total wank it’s because I’ve had a bottle of red wine
 
droid

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luka said:
When I was with droid off my nut on lovely drugs the sky was apocalyptic electric orange crackling with occult power and I felt like we were two priests from different parishes of a religion which was yet to be born
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It was real. The experience itself was cultivated to evoke a realness so real that it was real in ways that are yet to be understood. Deep reality.
 
droid

droid

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You become the pulse firing through the synapses of the dreaming hill. The slow breath of the vast mycelium network beneath the forest. As above, so below.
 
droid

droid

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You don't comprehend, encompass or articulate - just surrender, laugh and celebrate the giddy weirdness of this world.
 
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