Tricky vs. Goldie

Tricky vs. Goldie


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baboon2004

Darned cockwombles.
I used to like Maxinquaye, and probably still would if I listened to it, but it was so overplayed that I'm not even sure what I'm hearing any longer. Trip hop does also sound like the most dated music in the world. I wonder if that will ever change.
 
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pattycakes_

Can turn naughty
I'm confused.

I'm listening to Maxinquaye and it sounds like a Lily Allen/Kate Nash album with edgy beats.

Nah this isn't for me at all. Sounds SO dated.

Does he have better albums than this?

That's how I remember feeling when I last listened to it
 

the ig

Well-known member
dread is soft if it's sure, it creeps into sleep, it whispers in the gaps, the absences, dubwise...




a lot of you peeps just hear a load of smoke city and ruby and attica flippin blues it seems, but all those guys are just cancelled, discounted for me. as said basic ingredients similar, but there's a qualitative shift with tricks, so you can extract him out of that context for keeps...
 

sadmanbarty

Well-known member
On the prince vs mj thread we were talking about pretend music. I’d say both goldie and tricky are pretend music. With the refugee krew stuff it’s about retelling drug experiences through theatrics. It’s like Kate bush on loads of pills. A druggy “whoosh” becomes a sonic one; it’s quite a literalist- ham fisted even- attempt to capture physiology of drugs.

Tricky’s pretendness comes from trying to triangulate between the various mid-90’s factions of cool. Trying to steel cultural currency from all quarters. (Actually, that’s quite princeish. Prince taking new wave and funk and hair metal for example.)
 

the ig

Well-known member
and i don't care how 'dated' things are. who cares? rehear, recontext, rethink; the old suddenly becomes fresh cos your own time sinks precipitately down odd rabbit holes, now-stuff can just lag and drag when the world shifts too quick, then you gotta dig all over for stuff that works..

also martina is a brill singer, not mentioned enough, head and shoulders above all those vaguely soulful gals singing over beats from the time (bar s nelson on 'un sympathy')
 

Beagle

Active member
obviously someone like Barty can't understand the genius of Rufige Kru

Barty has aspergers, is a bedroom nerd, and has never been to a club or rave in his life.
 

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
I dunno what status 'Inner City Life' has with the junglescenti but I think it's a beautiful song.

I can appreciate that from an 'ideological' perspective (if not simply from a perspective of taste) a 21 minute jungle 'suite' is potentially a pompous move, a betrayal of rave or something — but I love it, find it sort of mind-blowing.

Have we discussed in here the weird status of Goldie as producer? How he directed Rob Playford? I don't think that necessarily undermines his production, which obviously has a singular 'vision' behind it.
 

droid

Well-known member
Arguably Goldie never produced anything.

But if you've ever been in a studio, you'll know the immense value of someone who knows what they want, can make decisions quickly and has energy and vibes.
 

craner

Beast of Burden
I dunno what status 'Inner City Life' has with the junglescenti but I think it's a beautiful song.

I hated it, but didn't all of his contemporaries think it was a work of genius? They all seemed to consider Timeless as a whole as The Next Level. Maybe Droid can tell us more. I always assumed it was because of the engineering of it or something. I guess it was technically special, but it came out like a giant log.
 
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