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thirdform

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one man's cartoon is another mans ecstasy, i guess. Huncho Jack sounds cartoonish to me in a way acid house doesn't, which is sheer pulsating electricity and magnetic waves. So maybe it's about reframing the *concepts* that you use, and the cultural filters. I.E: interrogate the notion of cartoon or robo bumming.

Or to put it another way. Who is a Doug E Fresh and who is a Slick Rick?
 

thirdform

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My prejudice I guess is I have an aversion to too much euphoric music. I think it's for sad people. oh, please, let me finish work this is so depressing, I just want to live for the weekend, then I can go back to work on monday.

Whereas with me it's like nah, I want to hang my buffoonish quarter-brained boss on Monday. I'm angry, not sad, and that's why I don't like happy music, I don't need to be cheered up, i am already cheery through the thought of dismembering a few caroline lucas types to some harsh noise and gabberised techstep. For me the problem isn't that I can't be happy, but that I'm never really melancholy enough. I'm always depressed and furious, but never sad, I never think I've lost anything, I'm just cynical, did I actually own it in the first place?
 

thirdform

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I also find white music fans who just exclude the entire rock/post-punk cannon in some ham-fisted attempt to be proto-woke spiritual and intuit notions of blackness onto their traumatised psyche to be highly suspect, cue Tony Blackburn etc.

Face it lads, Judas Priest are fucking great.
 

luka

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I also find white music fans who just exclude the entire rock/post-punk cannon in some ham-fisted attempt to be proto-woke spiritual and intuit notions of blackness onto their traumatised psyche to be highly suspect, cue Tony Blackburn etc.

Face it lads, Judas Priest are fucking great.

WhT about if we exclude all of it apart from oasis?
 

sadmanbarty

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For the record third, 808 state new build and things like ‘acid trax’ I don’t think of as cartoony. They’re outright wicked.
 

thirdform

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For the record third, 808 state new build and things like ‘acid trax’ I don’t think of as cartoony. They’re outright wicked.

oh sure, i gathered that. some people can just go to certain speeds with the 303, other 88 hardcore record collector acid house heads recoiled at the bpms exceeding 170 in the mid 90s.
 

thirdform

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that's part of the charm of energy flash, as an observer bliss goes back to 87-91 in the process of research. but in a way him being thrust into late 91-92 is like that little kid we cuss out for requiring the eurotrance gateway. the fact it is a dishonest defence of hardcore is it's charm, if it was honest and sincere and defended the chipmunks as some kind of high art culmination from rare groove onwards, it would be horrifying. like the techno purists are right in some ways, a lot of 92 hardcore is totally crap artistically speaking. but excellence and craft are always overrated in music, and conveyor belt trash is not nearly rated highly enough.
 
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thirdform

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although blackdown swung the pendulum in the other direction and rated the conveyor belt far too much, which got him creaming deep tech which was where I got off with all nuum writing and told them to fuck off in my head.

the balance is the art, not the product.
 

RWY

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one man's cartoon is another mans ecstasy

A couple of years ago I was working with a childhood friend in a job that involved driving the length and breadth of the country Monday to Friday, which meant we had a lot of time to kill on the road. After enduring months of his Spotify playlist of 2010 era Youngsta dubstep, I attempted to play him a playlist of Italo-Disco. After three songs he said it was shit and turned it off. I asked him what was wrong with it and he said that, to him, it sounded like a karoke night for 50-somethings in a pub in Swansea. I told him to try and imagine being on holiday in the south of Spain during the 1980s and dancing late at night with the girl of his dreams at a beachside disco but he wasn't having it. So we reverted to listening to his drudgy dubstep and being reminded of Bristol as an aesthetic manfestation till I left the company a few months later.
 

Corpsey

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A couple of years ago I was working with a childhood friend in a job that involved driving the length and breadth of the country Monday to Friday, which meant we had a lot of time to kill on the road. After enduring months of his Spotify playlist of 2010 era Youngsta dubstep, I attempted to play him a playlist of Italo-Disco. After three songs he said it was shit and turned it off. I asked him what was wrong with it and he said that, to him, it sounded like a karoke night for 50-somethings in a pub in Swansea. I told him to try and imagine being on holiday in the south of Spain during the 1980s and dancing late at night with the girl of his dreams at a beachside disco but he wasn't having it. So we reverted to listening to his drudgy dubstep and being reminded of Bristol as an aesthetic manfestation till I left the company a few months later.

Did we ever do a thread about this - the mental images music creates? I bet it's a widespread, even ubiquitous thing for people. They can't help but imagine some sort of physical equivalent for the music.
 

thirdform

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A couple of years ago I was working with a childhood friend in a job that involved driving the length and breadth of the country Monday to Friday, which meant we had a lot of time to kill on the road. After enduring months of his Spotify playlist of 2010 era Youngsta dubstep, I attempted to play him a playlist of Italo-Disco. After three songs he said it was shit and turned it off. I asked him what was wrong with it and he said that, to him, it sounded like a karoke night for 50-somethings in a pub in Swansea. I told him to try and imagine being on holiday in the south of Spain during the 1980s and dancing late at night with the girl of his dreams at a beachside disco but he wasn't having it. So we reverted to listening to his drudgy dubstep and being reminded of Bristol as an aesthetic manfestation till I left the company a few months later.

ha. i would go more for front242 in that sort of situation. welcome to paradise especially.
 

Trillhouse

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I think people can adapt and grow to like almost anything taste wise, given the right timing and circumstances.

To give an hypothetical example, if you never liked dancehall but went to live in JA whilst dancehall was at its most furtive. I think you would slowly begin to appreciate it's qualities, then find some area of it that really clicked with you, eventually growing to love it.

But that doesn't mean everybody is going to love everything. Obviously you may wilfully stay in your lane and never gain that transformative experience. You may simply have no interest in the arts whatsoever.

Beyond the nurture side of it, people are wired to react to stimuli based on their genetics, mental characteristics, life/emotional baggage etc. Another extreme example - depending on where you fall on the psychopath scale is surely going to affect how you react to emotional stimuli in music. It may well even effect taste https://www.theguardian.com/science...s-prefer-rap-over-classical-music-study-shows

We also mix the two, if you were very angry growing up, maybe due to a traumatic upbringing, you may lean into that anger or try and sooth it away. Either way your tastes are going to be affected. It seems obvious that your brain chemistry has a fair amount to do with whether your tastes skew towards harder or more gentle styles of music.

In the 00s I knew a guy who was in a successful Emo band and he told me he didn't really see the point of music that wasn't shouty and aggressive. We like to create these bullshit narratives to impress our personalities upon others. Everything must be seen through that narrative's specific spectrum, and if it doesn't fit excluded as unworthy. When you're a kid you do this all the time. Then a few years later you disown that previous version of yourself as dumb and childish. From your late teenage years onwards it seems to codify into something hopefully representing a proper personality, but it's still bullshit.

There's also this tendency for generations to connect more with certain eras, maybe the decade they were born. Also to have a dislike for some aspect of the music of the generation directly before them, or directly before when they 'really' got into music. It speaks of that constant drive for the new, that teenage desperation to be fresher than fresh, cooler than cool. But obviously it's a wheel that is constantly turning.

Sometimes I wonder about the opposite of immersion. If you had no outside influence. If you existed purely in a bubble with no context, no sphere of influence, no contact, no reaction. Nobody there to impress with how great your taste is, or how smart & culturally informed you are. Just a radio dial, randomly playing every kind of music. What would you tune into then? How would you assetain good from bad?
 
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