droid
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Time is limited these days. Ill play with Luke on the hill.
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Time is limited these days. Ill play with Luke on the hill.
pattycakes_
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couldn't have said it better.
i once said sharing a forum with luka is like finding the favourite watering hole of a rare exotic bird. temperamental, fragile, but worth putting up with for those magic moments.
however this last half year something changed and there's been so much venom between his lines. still moments of brilliance but the dark side's gotten out of hand. it keeps causing these blowouts.
i just wish he would acknowledge that and try to do something about it. it felt like the week or so he took off was for some genuine reflection, but it seems as though nothing's changed.
shiels
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Forums and social media can have a creeping addictive quality. My facebook posts started to get more provocative and ridiculous til It got to the point I was doing all caps lock stupid sectarian statuses and pretending to have minor breakdowns just because I thought it was hilarious to think about distant aunts and people I hadn't spoken to in ten years thinking it was really me. Often after a few pints, then wake up the next day half horrified, half buzzing at some of the reactions. Cut it out a few years back but I still have the odd flirtation with some unhinged goblin post every once in a while. You get hooked the highs and the lows, adrenaline and dopamine and need to keep pushing it to keep things interesting.
shiels
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Maybe you could see it as self-harm or getting your dick out in public but in the moment I was thinking hilarious social critique. Always liked bringing it really close to the line too, on the edge of believability. That's when it's most interesting and satisfying and that's when you can expose people's positions through reaction in a way they might not do if addressed directly. I think this is what luka shaman jester likes to do sometimes, it's manipulative and sadistic and narcissistic but it shifts things along, releases energy, unblocks. It is trolling but it's not just trolling.
That thing I said on the cringeworthy thread: we lose something when exposed to very large audiences over time. I think it's true. Lobotomy, and I think there's actually something quite dull and stifling about having to state your nuanced, rational, considered position in a conscientious and sensitive way, there's a slight dishonesty to it, a poised and considered dishonesty, the english are great at it, fucking brits again, because you're leaving out the thrust and the mess and yes the ego too, which is driving the whole thing but we do so much work to conceal.
That thing I said on the cringeworthy thread: we lose something when exposed to very large audiences over time. I think it's true. Lobotomy, and I think there's actually something quite dull and stifling about having to state your nuanced, rational, considered position in a conscientious and sensitive way, there's a slight dishonesty to it, a poised and considered dishonesty, the english are great at it, fucking brits again, because you're leaving out the thrust and the mess and yes the ego too, which is driving the whole thing but we do so much work to conceal.
the thing is we are trained, socialised if you like, to be this way, it's years of inculcation and learned behaviour. and yeah, its definitely got some dishonesty to it. is this not the same thing as when people say they are sick of experts? and why no-one reads big important academic texts? cos they wishy wash and restate positions again and again, til it drives you round the bend.
shiels
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He's playing the role of sacred clown, Heyoke. I think he does it well most of the time but sometimes he misses and it's destructive but that as he would say "is the nature of it" To take it literally or just as a joke is to miss some of the value
if you think there's some exceptionalism here you're prob right, but it's because there's reputational risk involved in invoking this, you have to respect a little bit of it. remember when teachers liked that class clown even through they were disruptive and undermined them? because they gave the class energy, stuff to play with and bounce off
but they need to be told to stfu too, managed and questioned, and through this we reaffirm our principles and beliefs and can sometimes understand ourselves a little better
if you think there's some exceptionalism here you're prob right, but it's because there's reputational risk involved in invoking this, you have to respect a little bit of it. remember when teachers liked that class clown even through they were disruptive and undermined them? because they gave the class energy, stuff to play with and bounce off
but they need to be told to stfu too, managed and questioned, and through this we reaffirm our principles and beliefs and can sometimes understand ourselves a little better
i think i see it in myself in certain situations, i like to say shocking things, just to see peoples faces. like you say about winding up your family on fb posts. but i do it less and less now, cos i know people get offended by it and i cant be bothered any more with the aggravation. however, it spills out from time to time, because you literally cant take the hypocrisy sometimes. i think theres been a general cultural creep this way, woke culture if you like, where language and behaviour is policed so much that theres an iron cage round you. and its definitely what gives dissensus its uniqueness, the fact that there are still people on here prepared to say the unsayable. and luka is chief among these people, i would say. for me, he is the main reason i come here. but as you've also said, there are lines even where there are no lines, so to speak, and he has also to accept challenge and have more grace when it happens. obvs that is hard for anyone to deal with
shiels
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I find that mildly offensive. I intend to usurp him.
sadmanbarty
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7.5-8 i'd say
