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Corpsey

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
I've always thought of music as cutting through self-definitions. Like e.g. Carly Rae Jepsen, I guess I was primed by reading ILX and various other sources to be more open to pop music, but I still felt like I had a bit of a conversion moment listening to some of those tunes. A sort of "fuck it, I can't deny that's great" thing. But maybe I was deluding myself.

There are certainly still songs that I would feel ashamed for liking, even though in the past I DID like them. Which suggests that self-definition is still in play, drawing the boundaries of taste. I think my taste has got wider and wider over the years but then there are some things I did like which I "can't" like now.
 
shiels

shiels

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Yes, the guy who coined 'cultural capital'. Haven’t read that but maybe I will

An interesting thing to hear and read is people externalising their internalised mechanisms of judgment/ perception, to focus on their repulsions and attractions, expand and delineate the strange symphony of these value judgments and colliding hierarchies across class and relationships and any other social factor you mention, spectrums of the strange and familiar, comforts and thrills and transgressions that give our aesthetic experiences flavour. But who has the time, the patience? there’s too much stuff.

But If you don’t like it just go listen to something else! Is a boring take because it’s basically saying ignore the social context… this doesn’t really matter beyond its function as a commodity to temporarily scratch an itch … and we learn nothing
 
Corpsey

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
As Wilson interprets Bourdieu, we want people who we like and respect to like the same things we like, but we don't want everybody to like what we like, because then there'd be no distinction.

We want there to be "idiots" out there who don't understand the genius of XXXX, so we can better enjoy our understanding of that genius.
 
shiels

shiels

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There's the pressure to conform too. An interesting concept in style is the idea of being able to 'pull something off', to have the cultural capital or youth or requisite nonchalance to incorporate or carry new symbols without too much incongruence for those around you. Your friends and family holding you back. Dressing to avoid a slegging.
 
shiels

shiels

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brands like balenciaga flex their capital by tapping into the transgressive energy of repulsion and confusion, slapping their label on londsdale slip ons. skinny jeans hit saturation point and young people swing back to super wide to make distinctions, pissing off the right people. Cultural energy oscillates along these poles of repulsion and attraction
 
Corpsey

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
Celine Dion is apparently hugely popular in Jamaica. Particularly with gangsters. Apparently they play her songs at dances and people let off gunshots in the air. :crylarf:
 
Corpsey

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
You can feel it, can't you, when you listen to something you "shouldn't" like - this forcefield your mind is erecting around it, in case you get tempted to throw it all away and become an emo.
 
shiels

shiels

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There's usually some difference between what your nervous system responds to and what you project. Sometimes how someone dresses or how good something looks or sounds gives you a feeling in your groin that isn't necessarily sexual arousal but is somehow linked to the libido and its response to beauty and power, it feels more instinctual.
 
luka

luka

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Keep pressing on though more responses more thoughts more genius flashes of insight.
 
luka

luka

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shiels said:
There's the pressure to conform too. An interesting concept in style is the idea of being able to 'pull something off', to have the cultural capital or youth or requisite nonchalance to incorporate or carry new symbols without too much incongruence for those around you. Your friends and family holding you back. Dressing to avoid a slegging.
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If you look at the autechre haters thread we analyse their clothes a bit. Fits into this frame
 
shiels

shiels

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Pre lockdown actually, when it mattered. I rushed packed a bag and made stupid choices, alternating between two bad outfits and hair is shocking.
 
shiels

shiels

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Clothes are hilarious to analyse because they give off such rich multifaceted information about people but everyone plays their own choices down like they don’t mean anything. And even when they think their choices mean nothing or they’re dressed by someone else well that still speaks volumes mate
 
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thirdform

pass the sick bucket
often those trying to look chic and cool (whilst knowing the avant-garde) are pretty much as alienated capitalist realist in their tastes as possible. the trick is to be into weird avant-garde shit incidentally. not liking pop music as a counterweight to the avant stuff to fight a cultural war or whatever. It's why I'm not really a contemporary pop music fan anymore. I could be but it would be dishonest, a form of cultural slumming (not based on class but experience.) A bit like a shag with the ex. feels good and then you regret it. Bourdieu is also wrong, often the bourgeois classes are quite enamoured with the lowbrow whilst many proles are much more (if not a proponent of) respectful of highbrow.

 
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thirdform

pass the sick bucket
the question is not whether prejudices are worth having or not having, cultural filters are always necessary.

the question is whether those prejudices themselves are of any merit.

For instance I know my prejudice against psytrance is extremely warranted and I can backit to the grave.

I'm not so sure about Luke's prejudice against dubstep though.
 
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thirdform

pass the sick bucket
Corpsey said:
You can feel it, can't you, when you listen to something you "shouldn't" like - this forcefield your mind is erecting around it, in case you get tempted to throw it all away and become an emo.
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not particularly, i'm usually bored.

You just lack microtonal sophistication. if you lived in Stratford you would not, you'd hear turkish records everywhere.

sampled by roll deep.

 
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