Benny Bunter

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Ok, so now i'm interested to know what your 1965/year zero weird psychedelic heavy guitar tune is. The starting point.
 

droid

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name any interesting music that come from the 50s

Doo-wop, which had a huge influence on the use of harmony in pop rock, soul, rocksteady... Jazz, Bebop, Hard bop - tons of amazing 50s jazz. R+B, Stax, New Orleans and the 2nd line, directly responsible for the birth of reggae... The folk revival of the late 50s...

Calypso, Skiffle!
 

catalog

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Douglas sirk was 50s too. I actually really like that era, cos you had the old look of film, with the newer themes. So it's really incongruous now. A lot of good westerns from then as well, the Anthony mann ones.

And a lot of good country music, from then as well, like hank Williams, charley patton and all that. All that stuff is gold. But I dunno, maybe you would not call it popular or whatever
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
Doo-wop, which had a huge influence on the use of harmony in pop rock, soul, rocksteady... Jazz, Bebop, Hard bop - tons of amazing 50s jazz. R+B, Stax, New Orleans and the 2nd line, directly responsible for the birth of reggae... The folk revival of the late 50s...

Calypso, Skiffle!
nope, none of it

like I said, I acknowledge the importance/influence of whatever

the question is the thing on its own merit, in which case no, none of it is remotely interesting (or "good" but again, subjective)
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
jazz is admittedly somewhat different, jazz being by that point at least a semi-"serious" art form

but I'm not a jazz head in general - I only like it at its most free/outre/cosmic in the 60s-70s - so I'm not the person to judge there
 

droid

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Doo wop is amazing. Hard bop is my favourite period of jazz. New orleans R&B is incredible music.

I can understand lack of attraction or appreciation, but I dont think you can say its not 'interesting'. Dunno if its possible to write off any decade entirely TBH.
 

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
No opinion on the doors.

I like that one about the whiskey bar that was apparently taken from a Brecht play or something. The End in the context of apocalypse now is fucking great too.

As for ridiculous lyrics I never listen to the lyrics in rock music really. Unless it's the point, like in the case of Bob Dylan.
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
Unless it's the point, like in the case of Bob Dylan.
the point is that is the point with Jim Morrison

unlike Jagger or whoever, his bullshit is supposed to be poetry

I mean look, what other big 60s band named themselves after a fucking Aldous Huxley book

(and then completely fail to live up to the excellence of that name)
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
lol u can take the patronizing and fuck rite off, buddy

if you/anyone thinks he's great, or thinks whatever is great, more power to you

I'm entitled to my opinion without condescension, as is anyone

I think Alfred Hitchcock is boring

craner thinks the Velvet Underground are worthless and I don't tell him "poor guy"
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
I can understand lack of attraction or appreciation, but I dont think you can say its not 'interesting'.
I certainly can. it's not interesting to me.

or it's only interesting in terms of how it gave rise to what came after.

we're only talking artistically of itself

obviously in a social, cultural or other historical context these things are very interesting

for the record, my post-WWII cultural decade ranking goes 70s...(very wide margin)...tie between 80s + 90s, 60s, then idk between 50s/00s/teens

I'll say this for the 50s, it has the thrill of the first venture into uncharted territory in many cases, albeit often tentative
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
Ok, so now i'm interested to know what your 1965/year zero weird psychedelic heavy guitar tune is. The starting point.
it's hard to pick out a single tune, or even a single temporal starting point as in reality there are no year zeros in music

and there's not a single point or line where one side is it and one side ain't, especially fully realized

1965 is a bit arbitrary but it's also the point where I'd say garage rock really takes off in terms of fuzz/rawness

also late 64-65 is the formation of the VU, MC5, 13th Floor Elevators, (more or less) Pink Floyd, etc. Dylan goes electric.

most of these people don't start recording until 66 or early 67. The Beatles record Revolver at beginning of 66, it comes out in August of that year

this is 66, but possibly my fave garage rock tune. again we're talking about pointing the way rather than fully realized, but the rawness, proto-heavy
 

droid

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TBH I find much of the rock of the 50s more interesting than punk, the pure ebullient energy, often more subversive than its 70's shadow. And as I said, Doo Wop is amazing, beautiful, celestial music - if you're into black harmony at least.
 
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