luka
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sometimes i get a wave of paranoid intuition that tells me there is a similar beleif in elite circles, nothing is true everything is permitted do as thy wilt.
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sometimes i get a wave of paranoid intuition that tells me there is a similar beleif in elite circles, nothing is true everything is permitted do as thy wilt.
shiels
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I think in metal and goth there’s something about invoking other worlds where the hierarchies favour the nerd, the wizard. And the jock is the orc or whatever. Fantasy worlds where they’re on top, and all these ornate expressions of retribution and glory through technology and magic
shiels
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Not really intuition, that’s the Crowley quote that sits at the moral heart of a load of Christian Right conspiracy theory Isn’t it?
shiels
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The thing i didn’t get about Elon musk etc trying to prove we’re living in simulation is: why wouldn’t all of our thoughts, tools to test the theory be simulated too, would it not be purely deterministic and therefore a closed system. And therefore is it not just a philosophical question
shiels
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There is truth there. master morality reinforced by money and power and options to build, change the world. Might is right. Ever look into stuff on how power changes the brain?
Mr. Tea
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Ayn Rand is a huge touchstone for people with this tendency in America. Doesn't seem to have made a big impact in the UK's general population in the same way but I bet the Tory party is generously salted with Rand cultists.
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Mr. Tea
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I bet Cummings is well into her. I imagine her having a big appeal to the sorts of Tories that your Portillos and Majors regard as unpleasant weirdos.
entertainment
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There's a lot of pretext on the right about how hierarchies are inevitable in society, it's in our nature.
Mr. Tea
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Lobsters!
shiels
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Do you think they are inevitable? Does dissensus have hierarchy?
Mr. Tea
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Good question. You could ask Master Luka, he might know.
mixed_biscuits
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Cummings is into the rationalist community (which is roughly 2/3 right; 1/3 left, with a heavy STEM and libertarian bent), not Rand - it's all laid out in his blog but the media haven't realised how much of an influence the rationalists are on him, as they're ignorant of the movement themselves.
I've been to Randian meetups: they're a friendly bunch. Last time I went I argued that Rand's 'trader principle' could justify socialism (Rand distinguished between compelled altruism and charitable benevolence; a socialist system could be established from the latter with a slightly wider, but more realistic, application of the principle).
They're very enthusiastic about Rand but it didn't strike me as a cult: they're very happy to be debated, to host the Rand-curious like me and welcome Rand-haters, whom they treat very politely (the converse is often not the case).
Rand's thinking is richer than libertarian thought, from what I've read about both (I've been to libertarian meetups too). The libertarians have a negative project (don't step on me) whereas Rand has a positive project too, recommending that the individual does various things to flourish. She also provides a philosophical foundation for her work and grounds morality - it's ambitious stuff.
I've only read bits of her non-fiction, no fiction.
padraig (u.s.)
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no surprise there, it's a convenient position for them to take
"inevitable" probably depends on what's meant by hierarchy (and maybe, society)
preagricultural cultures seem to have done pretty well without them, or at least very rudimentary and informal compared
there's much anthropology on the subject. I'm no expert, but I have talked up David Graeber on here before, who's written a lot on the topic
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
more pragmatically, the existence of hierarchies, inevitable or not - doesn't preclude trying to make society more egalitarian
the way I usually see it interpreted on the right is as more or less Social Darwinist excuse for x shitty oppressive thing
it's circular logic - hierarchy is inevitable which justifies hierarchy, or rather x shitty oppressive things in its name
plus it's historicism, to work another current Dissensus buzzword
the way I usually see it interpreted on the right is as more or less Social Darwinist excuse for x shitty oppressive thing
it's circular logic - hierarchy is inevitable which justifies hierarchy, or rather x shitty oppressive things in its name
plus it's historicism, to work another current Dissensus buzzword