entertainment

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I'm the same as Corpsey and Version and Shiels.

One session of going through all those videos of police beating up protestors on reddit and I felt my blood boiling with contempt and lust for rebellion. Then I went on twitter and saw all those people plugged in to that fervent hate orgy and it completely extinguished that passion.
 
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entertainment

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luka

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a lot of the wild right wing stuff i follow on twitter is pointing out the fetishistic aspect of this
 

luka

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ritual humiliation etc. raab has just noted the same thing i think? kneeling as subjugation. all valid observations and part of the stew.
 

luka

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theyve been trying to make common cause, those two strands. bannon wants to reach the socialists.
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
the outpouring of guilt feels very much like the product of ignorance

all this stuff had been going on forever, it's only a shock if you were blind to it

and if you had ever genuinely given a shit about racism, you would've long since realized that feeling guilty is useless

it's different for all the wild-right stuff since they patently don't give a shit about racism
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
extremely solid intro to fascism in America, well grounded in both theory (Roger Griffin, Robert O. Paxton, Stanley Payne, Umberto Eco, etc) and history

American Fascism: It Has Happened Here

if you're unfamiliar with extent of American fascism in the 30s, you will be surprised. I know the era pretty well, and I was surprised by a couple things.

as well as a nice summary of the reading of post-Reconstruction South under the Klan + Jim Crow as the first fascist state

her reading of the current moment is a bit narrow, I think, if only cos Trump hasn't, and seems unlikely to muster Hitler/Mussolini-level support, and has so far had only mixed success in his attempts to undermine democracy through legal or extralegal means (we'll see how the election goes)

that said, she really does a good job of laying out the process, iconography, ideology, etc

and enough deeply troubling things have or are happening that it's worth taking very seriously
 

padraig (u.s.)

a monkey that will go ape
bonus bit on the recent authenticity discourse, where she quotes the leader of the Spanish Falange, speaking in 1934 (italics mine)

Italy and Germany… turned back towards their own authenticity, and if we do so ourselves, the authenticity which we find will also be our own

fascism is always about rebirth (palingenesis) and return to a purer mythical past, which is why each fascism must be local - "authentic" to itself

i.e. Make America Great Again, the "real America", etc
 
Maybe your history thread can focus on certain eras, countries, themes each week or month. You could focus on docus and long reads, stuff that might require an hour or two investment but recommend books too
 

DannyL

Wild Horses
bonus bit on the recent authenticity discourse, where she quotes the leader of the Spanish Falange, speaking in 1934 (italics mine)



fascism is always about rebirth (palingenesis) and return to a purer mythical past, which is why each fascism must be local - "authentic" to itself

i.e. Make America Great Again, the "real America", etc
Super obvious point but when ever I see this kind of claim re. America, I always think of the native people's, and their elision from any narrative.
 

craner

Beast of Burden
fascism is always about rebirth (palingenesis)

Roger Griffin is really good on this, I basically read The Conformist through his analysis of this aspect of fascism:

 
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