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luka · Jul 30, 2020

version said:
It's not the same material then? Or do you just view it as diluted when removed from the context of the blog?

the latter.

luka · Jul 30, 2020

luka said:
Part of the reason Mark is interesting is that he's one of the first internet writers whose best work is underwritten, rushed, part of a wider conversation

i said it a few minutes ago

luka · Jul 30, 2020

this is part of why he is interesting. qualities, such as speed, which are valuable in internet writing are detrimental to book writing.

version · Jul 30, 2020

Does that still apply? It seems as though it's a "you had to be there" thing.

luka · Jul 30, 2020

Mark was an internet writer. One of the first big names of internet writing. it's a radically dispersed ouvere and makes little sense once detatched from its context.

luka · Jul 30, 2020

if you want to read Mark on Baudrillard you have to also read Mr Tea's obstructionist inanities for instance. Mr Tea has a structural role as 'the voice of the philistine public' which Mark is then able to wrestle with.

luka · Jul 30, 2020

version said:
Does that still apply? It seems as though it's a "you had to be there" thing.

well i was 'there' so you tell me.

version · Jul 30, 2020

I wasn't 'there', so how would I?

shiels · Jul 30, 2020

We're not messing about now, people.

Those 'lull' posts of a while back were profoundly misleading. The network isn't dying, far from it. Look around you, it's obvious now that 'cyberculture' doesn't just have to mean Wired-reading corporate silverbacks or dysfunctional geeks. Only rearview mirrorism prevents us from seeing that blogs are part of a new cultural configuration that is unique as it is unprecedented. If blogs were initially parasitic on other forms and other media (isn't anything when it first emerges?), they've now established a space of their own. For, ultimately, blogs are nothing but space. Space is plentiful out here: you get the opportunity to stretch your legs, develop a style, a conceptual repertoire, luxuries that are increasingly rare in the overcrowded print world.

These reflections have been prompted by the return of the maitre, but if he's the clearest case of a cultural production that has no equal outside k-space, he's by no means the only example of the phenomenon.

But I defy you to find any contemporary writing as accomplished as this anywhere. Perhaps it was the enforced period of deprivation sharpening my palate, but it seems to me that Luke has returned more powerful than ever, his proetry sharper, more honed, with even less redundancy. Nothing wasted.

k-punk: LUKE'S LONDON

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luka · Jul 30, 2020

version said:
I wasn't 'there', so how would I?

ok then of course something is lost when you lose the context. hearing a jungle record in 1994 is different to hearing one in 2020.

luka · Jul 30, 2020

that kind of boosterism started to grate after a while but initially it was crucial in creating energy and community cohesion.

shiels · Jul 30, 2020

You're a massive boosterist! Boostering all over the place

luka · Jul 30, 2020

my writing at the time was not especially good. considered as writing it was a million miles behind craner. but it was congruent with the medium and the period of time. i understood how to use the platform i think.

luka · Jul 30, 2020

shiels said:
You're a massive boosterist! Boostering all over the place

i know i think it's really important. i hate it when people don't do that. but i have an unusual and damaged personality that gets uncomfortable with praise.

shiels · Jul 30, 2020

I was looking for his perspective on internet v print writing, he just happened to be saying you were best at it

version · Jul 30, 2020

"What you dont know is that Luke turns into a werewolf after four pints."

luka · Jul 30, 2020

craner said:
Our main gripe is that our period is excised from the record. And they were all the non-skull bits, the bit the Japan essay came from.

im not saying he ever lost this, at all. but this was the period when he was writing to the universal reader, very democratic like the music weeklies that inspired him. for smart, curious, uneducated misfits.

shiels · Jul 30, 2020

I also get highly suspicious and uncomfortable with praise, unless it's extremely specific praise that i deliberately illicited

version · Jul 30, 2020

I can say with sheer confidence that your blog has no importance. Who wants to read your snivelling contemplations? If wanted to read a pile of horse shit I'd buy 'Naked Lunch' and not your blog. Now that's saying something.
Posted by: Tomato at July 13, 2004 09:26 PM

Who was "Tomato"?

luka · Jul 30, 2020

version said:
I can say with sheer confidence that your blog has no importance. Who wants to read your snivelling contemplations? If wanted to read a pile of horse shit I'd buy 'Naked Lunch' and not your blog. Now that's saying something.
Posted by: Tomato at July 13, 2004 09:26 PM

Who was "Tomato"?

no idea. but he stirred up huge amounts of hate, snobbery, envy, resentment and condescension. read the ILX K-punk thread.

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