Lorenzo Senni

yyaldrin

in je ogen waait de wind
i saw him play a conceptual set once. he'd only play the breakdown sections of hardstyle tunes, those sections of a song stripped of percussion and with a build up leading to a drop, but before the drop he'd mix in a new breakdown section of another song. it was annoying.
 
What do you think @shiels

is it just clean arty trance that gives arty people permission to like trance. I haven't given it a go really. His sound design is very attention grabbing but isn't likely to move me. I liked when rustie did this kind of thing, bit more joy and hedonism to it
 

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
Quite is noncommittal, doubtful, possibly a bit ashamed.

I like this one.

That post catalog made about how Senni was stood in the front row staring emotionlessly at Dean Blunt, plus him never having been drunk, suggests to me a man with emotional problems, which makes the title 'Rave Voyeur' seem suggestive. Through that lens, you can listen to this stuff as the expression of a pathology. Dance music made by/for people who aren't comfortable with dancing.

I sympathise with this perspective somewhat myself as I feel tremendously awkward dancing face to face with people – on the continuum of sociable dancing, you've got disco/house music at one end and industrial techno at the other, I'd say. I'm more on the industrial techno side of the scale – when I used to go out, it was dancing to music like drum n bass, dubstep, techno, etc. where you're basically in a very dark room, facing forward, wildly dancing in your own world.

The strength of people's reactions to this sort of thing comes from a sense of having to defend rave against diseased interlopers. But I would say that this music exists for people who like this sort of thing, who are people too (albeit slightly robotic people), for god's sake.
 

thirdform

pass the sick bucket
Doesn't deserve a thread.

the problem with senni is he's not comedic enough to be truly cynical. You sit there, giggling, but it's the 'kinda like it' giggle of trying to mask your sheer contempt. if you want comedy in this template you are better off checking the weird happy hardcore/hardtrance hybrids. especially the Finnish, but some uk ones as well.




a track title primed for Luke here

 

thirdform

pass the sick bucket
this one is class, proper lsd trip deposits you in a scary teutonic neuremberg rally vibes.


Sure our boy pearsall can recommend one of his mixes that explores the most hardcore rave sensibilities of this hardtrance/hardhouse scene. it does get samey for me after a while - off beat basslines! But I like the stuff which sounds like the ungodly child of trance anthems and belgian/darkcore brutalism.
 

chava

Well-known member
Reconnect to the soul. Go through the surface and all the intellectual/deconstruction/art school based avenues and communicate with the body first. Psychs would help.

Have been saying this forever.

Quit the futurist aspirations and search/make electronic music that sounds old. And I mean old, like 200 years old.

 

thirdform

pass the sick bucket
like the problem with senni is he's pastiche soul, not the real thing. so a return to soul will just make more clones of him. we need to return to funk as africanised technology.
 

chava

Well-known member
All cool tracks, but the industrial aesthetic is fundamentally a dead end to me just as much as the ironic take that Senni represents. Or even 'the everything is algorithms!!' crew aka Mark Fell et al. For me, non-human centerered electronic music need to point to something else than industry or digitalia to gain momentum again. Possibly connect with nature w/o intermediary new agey or folk-y or otherwise nostalgic/naive sentiment.
 

pattycakes_

Can turn naughty
like the problem with senni is he's pastiche soul, not the real thing. so a return to soul will just make more clones of him. we need to return to funk as africanised technology.

A return to soul does not end up with Senni, imo.

Soul = truth


Jeff grappling with the slipping away of the human here.

Senni's a comfortable art school student trying to be edgy/interesting. Hipster shit, basically. It's not interesting, it's vacuous. Inhuman.
 

chava

Well-known member
Trying to make techno into a subset of teenage nostalgia artifacts is also a bit underwhelming.
 

pattycakes_

Can turn naughty
Enough soul in music in 2020? Not sure we're on the same planet, man. It go lost it in music a while ago. It's missing. When legowelt is talking about German techno being boring and conservative in the YouTube above, I-F repeats a couple of times 'there's no soul'

And he's right. We lost it.

All the existential dread we're facing in music (and the world) right now. All the shit that keeps coming up on here in thread after thread can be boiled down to this. Even third's relentless punishing thing. We lost connection with the human. Its the same shit in art vs design, dematerialization, modern buildings, and on and on. Soul doesn't have to equal hippy shit. It can be hard, dark, funky, whatever. But it's got some human in it. This going beyond the human, deconstruction, art school, Mark Fell, Senni, Draft 7.3.2.6 era Autechre shit has a shelf life. It's been excavated. It said its piece. My feeling is that we're yearning for something relatable again. Isn't that what making music that sounds 200 years old would do? Take us back to a point of origin? Some truth?
 

version

Well-known member
Is "soul" enough at this point? Surely we wouldn't have moved beyond/abandoned it if it was?
 

pattycakes_

Can turn naughty
We moved beyond it in flux with the momentum of capitalism, the addiction to the new and the tech. Why does new music like Mark Fell cause people to 'quite like' it (destined to be forgotten within 5-10 years max) whereas the nuum and jungle still have old farts on a forum called dissensus raving on about it? It's not just nostalgia. It's the spirit of the music.
 
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