The Garden of Forking Paths

sus

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a single publication opens up that's interested in discussing controversial subjects irreverently & from a non-leftist viewpoint

everyone on the left: unprecedented levels of neoNazis in these waters! Stamp em out quick before the Jews are genocided!

I'm imagining if the left were held accountable the way everyone else

Oh wait, they are, by evangelical christians who rave about how every progressive bill is a "secret communist agenda to end freedom," and we call those people crazy
 

version

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i like this bit.
Note the online magazine Quillette seems to be a cover for a sinister eugenics program (with tendencies I’ve called “neo-Nazi” under the cover of “free thought”.)
we did a great thread on quilette here. well, i was great on it and barty was pretty good too.
That's the one where we ended up laughing at all those pervy rotters leaving comments about Holly Willoughby.
 

luka

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superb thread
 

sus

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x-posting

Interestingly, the final section of that interview talks about bifurcation.
WALK SOFTLY AND CARRY A LITTLE LAND

As they say, they key word here is not wisdom, but caution. You don’t know what happens at bifurcations. You have absolutely no control. The smallest fluctuation can make things go wrong. The predictive power of humans and technology is nil near bifurcations. All you can do is approach carefully, because the last thing you want to do is get swallowed up by a chaotic attractor that’s too huge in phase space. As Deleuze says, “Always keep a piece of fresh land with you at all times.” Always keep a little spot where you can go back to sleep after a day of destratification. Always keep a small piece of territory, otherwise you’ll go nuts.

this bit too is good and relevant:

There might be an ethics here: how to live your life poised at the edge of chaos, how to allow self-organizing processes to take place in all the strata that bind you. In your life, you could create maps of attractors that bind your local destiny – those behaviors that are habitual and so on. And try to find those bifurcations that would allow you to jump, if not to complete freedom – that doesn’t exist – but to another set of attractors less confining, less binding, less stratifying. Or learn to lead your life near a bifurcation without ever crossing it – the lesson of being poised on the edge of chaos.
 

sus

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Catastrophe theory: a branch of bifurcation theory, itself a subset of dynamical systems theory, which analyzes how minor changes in circumstance can cause dramatic shift in the system's behavior, e.g. setting off a mudslide.
 

constant escape

winter withered, warm
Catastrophe theory: a branch of bifurcation theory, itself a subset of dynamical systems theory, which analyzes how minor changes in circumstance can cause dramatic shift in the system's behavior, e.g. setting off a mudslide.
Very cool. Could this catastrophic potential be activated, its power harnessed, to change the system in a positive manner? Perhaps catastrophic just isn't the right word, in this hypothetical case.

edit: I'm asking you your opinion, philosophically, whatever - not necessarily what the literature on catastrophe theory has to say. Although that would also be of interest.
 

sus

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Yes, but it would require a very strong understanding of the system. And since systems are built to be robust to such interference, it would require an exceptionally strong understanding.
 

luka

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Very cool. Could this catastrophic potential be activated, its power harnessed, to change the system in a positive manner? Perhaps catastrophic just isn't the right word, in this hypothetical case.

edit: I'm asking you your opinion, philosophically, whatever - not necessarily what the literature on catastrophe theory has to say. Although that would also be of interest.

this is why me and shiels were talking about the psychedelic experience as trauma.
 

luka

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"they generally operate far from equilibrium"

self circuit

"dissipation becomes a source of order"

trauma breakdown conditioning
reassembled at higher attractor site
matter in the making
unbound and rewound by coiling time
WHAT ARE THE INSTRUCTORS.
self-amplifying self-structure
runaway feedback " "

the sky something bigger than you are the stars are a
long way away below the sky everything happens forms
unfold people
fall
into the sea.

we don't see the air

but it's there!
 

sus

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this is why me and shiels were talking about the psychedelic experience as trauma.

where? what were you saying? classically, psychedelics reduce trauma insofar as trauma is a nonadaptive, ossified configuration in a person's schema

suspended reason said:
Here’s the structure of Horney’s neuroticism: an improper environment in childhood causes a deep, underlying anxiety (or feeling of precarity) which leads the child to seek anxiolytic and palliative coping strategies at the cost of real growth. We can call this development non-acute trauma, referring to the banal way an environment routinely shapes one’s priors about self and society, such that when one leaves the conditioning environment, previously adaptive strategies become suddenly maladaptive. In an extreme case, and ancient archetype, the soldier returns home, bringing with him an adaptive jumpiness which while useful on tour, causes him to hear gunshots in slammed doors and backfiring engines. We can look back to Euripides’ Herakles for a portrait: Herakles comes home and, perception befogged by madness, mistakes his children for enemies, slaying them with poisoned arrows.

simpolism said:
[In ancestral environments,] these events were potentially cyclical: a tribesman might experience war repeatedly throughout their lives. However, the current state of modern war leaves veterans returning, psychologically prepared for another go at war at any time, but without any real likelihood that they’ll be sent back out in the field… the developed priors become useless, rather than necessary preparation for the next conflict. We can also consider how ancient tribes may have handled “bad” prior formation by considering ritual experience. The sacred, the psychologically powerful, as a means of restoring a more “normal” psychic equilibrium.
 

constant escape

winter withered, warm
this is why me and shiels were talking about the psychedelic experience as trauma.
Yeah if trauma can be measured as an intensity, then the higher the percentage of your world that is being transvaluated/destabilized/(de/re)stablized, the greater the trauma.

What are the prospects of living in some continuously transvaluating/transvaluated world? A continuous trauma?
 

luka

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how much space you have to move in. how bright the colours are. whether it's possible to smile. whether it's possible to cry. whether it's possible to feel desire. how vigourous and clear your mental activity is. how easily and deeply you can breathe. this very basic but all important stuff.
 

luka

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there's a whole kind of language for this

i need to shake things up

im stuck in a rut

this, in my opinion, is the way to look at this stuff, first and foremost.
 
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