The Coming Authoritarianism.

luka

luka

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suspended reason you are trying to justify something to yourself and you are being dishonest with yourself to do so. You know that. We know that.
 
sus

sus

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But again I'm not even trying to defend social media founders so much as I think knee-jerk "evil tech bro" commentary is intellectually facile, and ignores the systemic problems in favor of a scapegoat.
 
V

version

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suspendedreason said:
Like I said, that's the kind of "non-systems approach to morality" that makes things worse rather than better. It makes you feel good to be "above it," to not be "complicit," but in the end the net effect is to worsen the world, not improve it
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How is just joining the people fucking things up improving anything? If I go join an oil drilling company and do the same as everyone working in the oil industry, how does my joining them change things for the better? I just become part of the problem.
 
sus

sus

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I just actually happen to be well-acquainted with the tech sphere given its my job and (partly) social sphere, so I know more about what I'm talking about then people who casually read mainstream media hitpieces and rag about "data surveillance"
 
luka

luka

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Doesn't matter. You're hoping your next employer does and can pay you a decent wage.
 
sus

sus

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version said:
How is just joining the people fucking things up improving anything? If I go join an oil drilling company and do the same as everyone working in the oil industry, how does my joining them change things for the better? I just become part of the problem.
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I'm not talking about people working for Facebook or something. I'm telling you why companies like Facebook are massive and make a ton of money, and why alternate models fail
 
linebaugh

linebaugh

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No one was saying all tech bros are evil. We know its NotAllTechBros. We were shooting the shit. We dont need you to explain how the market works.
 
luka

luka

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in the grand scheme of things your morally bankrupt ethics pales into insignificance compared to your taste in music though. The real evil is bodega ///. This shit is minor.
 
sus

sus

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Linebaugh said:
No one was saying all tech bros are evil. We know its NotAllTechBros. We were shooting the shit. We dont need you to explain how the market works.
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this entire thread trades on that implicit assumption; a hermeneutics of suspicion is what undergirds the entire discursive sensibility
 
sus

sus

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luka said:
in the grand scheme of things your morally bankrupt ethics pales into insignificance compared to your taste in music though. The real evil is bodega ///. This shit is minor.
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at least bodega is ambivalent towards technology, instead of regurgitating Orwellian paranoia
 
linebaugh

linebaugh

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suspendedreason said:
this entire thread trades on that implicit assumption; a hermeneutics of suspicion is what undergirds the entire discursive sensibility
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Well yes technology is a big part of the coming authoritarianism. I don't think its worth our time to painfully qualify how were talking about structural dynamics every time we bring it up
 
sus

sus

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I dunno I think it all depends what your working assumptions are

My work on incentive structure, reward functions, surrogation, and Campbell's law has led me to think greater data collection is actually the path towards a fairer better world. There are certainly dangers of giving access to data to corrupt bodies, but at the same time, the data is probably our best solution to corruption. So there's opportunity as much as there is danger in this tech
 
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