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in je ogen waait de wind
but he only got bald, that's it?
James Spader
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padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
Tilda Swinton in full androgyny mode has a glacial perfection that transcends concepts like "beauty"
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
they're both copping Thin White Duke Bowie, tho
padraig (u.s.)
a monkey that will go ape
also fat, don't forget
but it's about the decline of perfection
the poignancy runners of runners whom the race outrun crossed with sic transit gloria mundi
tho we may not share the same perfection, we share the inevitability of our own decline
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craner
Beast of Burden
Yeah, I'm not sure it would have the same meaning if you've only just heard of him.
luka
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He's not especially pretty actually. He's pudgy and dopey looking. But you relate to him cos of his nice hair which reminds you of your own. And his costumes
IdleRich
IdleRich
I'd like to see that film again, there is really something quite dark and strange about it - although on the face of it it's a straight up glammy cops and robbers thing. It's weird - I'm sure you're right - but that undercurrent was so strong that I have it in my head that Dafoe's character was actually gay.
IdleRich
IdleRich
I actually agree that there is a sense in which he's not that classically good looking. Or it's almost the opposite, he is classically good looking but that's different from the paradigm that has been the dominant one in Hollywood for decades. But seemingly enough vestiges of it remain for it to be instantly recognisable to some and to have a powerful effect on those who see it.
craner
Beast of Burden
There was a lesbian subplot involving that Yorkshire woman who was in Fraiser.
IdleRich
IdleRich
Since I commented on this thread last night Craner has come on and said all the stuff I said but in a much better way.
But it's this. Not just the loss of his looks but the loss of his youth. Which sounds stupid cos everyone (who doesn't die young) loses their youth, but something about him was so youthful. He was the essence of youth which makes it so powerful to see it destroyed - especially cos, with me, I lost track of him for some time and so for me he went straight from the one to the other.
craner
Beast of Burden
Well, I was only following your lead, because you said he was there in Secretary and then disappeared from view, only to come back horrifically transformed. I had the same reaction. It was a physical and psychological shock to be confronted with Old Spader. That's why I did my little bit of desktop research this morning to piece together that decline: it mostly seems to have happened during his mid-40s, the Boston Legal years, a show we obviously never watched, so we did not see it happening.
But this could be the story of our next decade, Rich. Or maybe we will be lucky and retain our gorgeous good looks, our lithe figures and our luxurious hair.
But this could be the story of our next decade, Rich. Or maybe we will be lucky and retain our gorgeous good looks, our lithe figures and our luxurious hair.
luka
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There's certainly a catastrophic collapse that occurs with a kind of male menopause though when that kicks in varies person to person and the way it happens varies. Being thin is not a defence cos you can get frail and wizened. It happens around mid 40s-50 as a rule. You can't tell yourself you're remotely desirable from that point on. You've been broken by life.
IdleRich
IdleRich
It wasn't a criticism, it's always good to see something you were trying to get at grasped and neatly packaged for you by someone else.
But yes that latter is very true. It could be the make or break decade in terms of looks - do we retain that boyish beauty but tempered with a steely manliness that only comes with experience, or do we sink into a ruined wrinkly and flabby mess beneath a shiny bald pate in which only at certain times when the light catches our features in just the right way does a cruel hint of previous pulchritude arise? Nothing more than another grim reminder of the uncaring vandalism that time can wreak on even the most perfect of objects?