version

Well-known member
He's useless that cunt, scared of his own shadow.
He probably wouldn't have allowed the referendum though. He wasn't worried about UKIP the way Cameron was. Also being scared of your own shadow doesn't appear to be much of an issue these days, Boris spends most of the time hiding and shitting himself.
 

luka

Well-known member
its cos hes a fascist and should be flayed alive. that's my opinion. imagine stripping the skin from his face, peeling it off the cheek.
 

DannyL

Wild Horses
Maybe @DannyL or someone can talk me through this one?


I am a mere mortal who is naive about the bold triangualations and strategies of realpolitik. So I am sure I have missed something here.

I saw a Twitter thread on all this last night. It confused the hell out of me tbh.
 

DannyL

Wild Horses
I mean there's this:

Shadow railways minister and Slough MP Tan Dhesi said he had planned to vote against the bill but was persuaded by Starmer tonight to abstain instead. Dhesi said he was “impressed” by the “detailed response” offered.

“I trust his experience, as well as the integrity with which he put the message across,” Dhesi told LabourList, concluding: “I’d rather have things on statute whereby the police or undercover agencies would be held to account by the ISC and lawmakers.”s


But as I wasn't in the call, who knows what was said? In that Twitter thread some reference is made to the Human Rights Act dealing with the issues and dangers of the new act instead.

What comes over to me in this is that he's got a legal mind and all the nuance involved with that - and how this is very different from the populist stances taken by his enemies (in the party and outside it). Buuuuuutt... there's issues here around clarity of communication. As you know, I'm inclined to defend him but can't really see that I've got any basis for doing so here.
 

DannyL

Wild Horses
Starmer is soft on authoritarianism
This is a case in point. This is exactly the sort of statement I don't like (it's sloganeering, it's truth is debatable, it strips out nuance), but arguably it's what he needs to do more of.
 

luka

Well-known member
you can get so concerned with 'nuance' that you end up not being able to make judegements, distinctions, discriminations, valuations... tangled in knots, no compass
 

luka

Well-known member
in other words, i think we should peel Starmer's face off. i will never vote for him. absolutely no way on earth.
 

sufi

lala
This is a case in point. This is exactly the sort of statement I don't like (it's sloganeering, it's truth is debatable, it strips out nuance), but arguably it's what he needs to do more of.
to elaborate a little then
I think it's his weak spot - since his days as AG DPP, he's fundamentally an establishmentarian (a perfect contrast and antidote to his predecessor)
whether that will undermine his ability to assemble support is not even that important seeing as no election is happening any time soon.
 

sufi

lala
My hope is that he and Boris (and Jezza) will drive people away from mainstream/parliamentary politics entirely
 

sufi

lala
I don't think his "strategic" expanation for failing to challenge this legislation holds up - he's post-rationalising, due to having zero mobility to take a principled position
 
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