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dunno what to think of invisibles btw, it's a bit all over the place, but occasional excellent bits. i'm on book 14 of series 1... i was thinking of giving it up tonight to start dossers 'possesed' but thought i'd pursue it and there were some good lines straightaway
 
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i'll try reading that projective verse essay. i can get hold of a copy of ishmael from library i think. they are open in this lockdown. the reading needs to happen still.
 
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im reading it. i like this line early. on:

private-soul-at-any-public-wall

that's quite apt for our current moment
 
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i like his use of 'II' here....

"I want to do two things: first, try to show what projective or OPEN verse is, what it involves, in its act of composition, how, in distinction from the non-projective, it is accomplished; and II, suggest a few ideas about what stance toward reality brings such verse into being, what the stance does, both to the poet and to his reader."

Very unorthodox to use this inconsistent numbering form, it either means he wrote it dead quick, which is good, or he wants you to notice the second thing more? It's so odd, you pay extra attention
 
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"A poem is energy transferred from where the poet got it (he will have some several causations), by way of the poem itself to, all the way over to, the reader."

I like this sentence cos you could take poem/poet/reader out and swap them round eg film/filmmaker/viewer and have some fun with it.

but it's also good to do a basic restatement of whats going on.
 
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"FORM IS NEVER MORE THAN AN EXTENSION OF CONTENT"

generally true yes, i agree, but hmmm, not always, certainly not now?
 
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"MOVE, INSTANTER, ON ANOTHER"

same sort of vibe as saying 'first thought, best thought'? which i do tend to agree with, but maybe olson is saying it better: keep it moving.
 
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"I take it that PROJECTIVE VERSE teaches, is, this lesson, that that verse will only do in which a poet manages to register both the acquisitions of his ear and the pressure of his breath."

interesting point, this is like luke's will/surrender binary /\
 
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"“Is” comes from the Aryan root,[11] as, to breathe. The English “not” equals the Sanscrit na, which may come from the root na, to be lost, to perish. “Be” is from bhu, to grow."

Breathe -> Lose -
^. I
I I
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Grow

Not sure if that's gonna come out right
 
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"But the syllable is only the first child of the incest of verse (always, that Egyptian thing, it produces twins!). The other child is the LINE. And together, these two, the syllable and the line, they make a poem, they make that thing, the—what shall we call it, the Boss of all, the “Single Intelligence.”"

Very interesting - it is always twins isn't it. Tournier's thing about the moon birthing Gemini. Bt what does he mean by LINE exactly?
 
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OK no worries, he explains it in a proper binary:

"the HEAD, by way of the EAR, to the SYLLABLE
the HEART, by way of the BREATH, to the LINE"
 
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i'm confused tho - is the syllable what we commonly take to be a syllable ie a sound not necessarily a word, or does the syllable have to be is/not/be?
 
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"The descriptive functions generally have to be watched, every second, in projective verse, because of their easiness, and thus their drain on the energy which composition by field allows into a poem."

very interesting
 
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this is actually something happening now with labelling, web design, UX, the collapsing/differentiation of labels
 
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