The Elon Musk Thread
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IdleRich
IdleRich
This is the thing though... this is poverty, you're muddling along and keeping your head above water, your washing machine or your fridge or whatever breaks and it's, I dunno, three hundred quid, and you can't swallow that, or you can but it matters, you gotta get a loan or whatever and it hurts you. And, you got people in the US not going to hospital for basic ailments cos the cost can disrupt their life.
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IdleRich
IdleRich
I dunno. The contention from you seemed to be "even the proles have all they need and they aint happy" but it's quite obvious from where I'm sitting that they don't have all they need.
sus
Moderator
I feel like we're having different conversations. I'm trying to argue that medical debt isn't the primary driver of dissatisfaction, and you're arguing that the US should provide health care to the poor. I agree with the latter!!
IdleRich
IdleRich
I'm saying it's hard to evaluate the satisfaction of content people when - from outside - they're not that content.
beiser
Well-known member
henry george, for one, drastically disagrees—the problem is that you're measuring wealth wrong. not having to worry about hunger surely makes someone happier; if your neighbor experiences a greater loss of need to worry about hunger you don't give a shit. what is true is that "wealth creation" in the US is inevitably seized by landowners, so only increases in position correspond to an increase in quality of life.
If we were to abolish hunger, and guarantee everybody enough land-value that their labor could provide enough for them, do you not think this situation would change? Isn't the grim reality that a true increase in the welfare of the lower classes is impossible in the US the fundamental cause of the uncharitable mindset? many live today like starved men at a dinner table—they lack table manners, lack concern for their fellows, because they cannot prioritize it over base survival. and even those that have enough, or have enough right now, know that the devil catches the hindmost—who could ease up on their quest for wealth when those who do find themselves hungry?
If we were to abolish hunger, and guarantee everybody enough land-value that their labor could provide enough for them, do you not think this situation would change? Isn't the grim reality that a true increase in the welfare of the lower classes is impossible in the US the fundamental cause of the uncharitable mindset? many live today like starved men at a dinner table—they lack table manners, lack concern for their fellows, because they cannot prioritize it over base survival. and even those that have enough, or have enough right now, know that the devil catches the hindmost—who could ease up on their quest for wealth when those who do find themselves hungry?
linebaugh
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dont you think that something like universalized health care would assuage dissatisfaction coming from a sense of abandonment though? being 'left out' of the future as you say? not a cure all of course, but theres overlap in these conversations.
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IdleRich
IdleRich
With whom?
sus
Moderator
@Linebaugh you're gonna leave the epic Henry George comment hangin and respond to my bullshit instead?
I don't necessarily disagree, but listen for a sec to Trump voters. They aren't actually asking for handouts. That's not what they're after. Maybe they've been hoodwinked by the bad orange man and if they had Medicare For All, they'd stop ODing on fentanyl. I'm a little skeptical. Unfortunately, there isn't an obvious way to get them what they want, which seems like a combination of respect, status, economic relevance, and slowing social change.
I don't necessarily disagree, but listen for a sec to Trump voters. They aren't actually asking for handouts. That's not what they're after. Maybe they've been hoodwinked by the bad orange man and if they had Medicare For All, they'd stop ODing on fentanyl. I'm a little skeptical. Unfortunately, there isn't an obvious way to get them what they want, which seems like a combination of respect, status, economic relevance, and slowing social change.
linebaugh
Well-known member
Im sorry Im also very high. Didnt even see it
sus
Moderator
They should move to the country there's a house down the street near a creek, 2BR for $50k and ready to move in (no work needed). Plus the KwikMart is hiring. Mortgage will be about $150 a month; if you work parttime at the gas station for minimum wage, you still got cash left over.
sus
Moderator
What're ya smokin? Give us strain n cannabinoids por fa