The Meaning of Japan

IdleRich

IdleRich
Always found that title completely repulsive.
There was the weird idea that Japanese women had their vulvas on sideways running from left to right instead of front to back.... a taxi driver I got chatting to once asked me if it were true in fact.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
My parents really disliked the Japanese and thought they were disgusting sadists. I guess the WW2 propaganda was strong. There were quite a few Japanese families living in Burnt Oak and Edgware, and loads in Swiss Cottage.
My friend's granddad was in a pow camp there, apparently one time he attacked a Japanese looking (probably was from Korea or something) man he saw walking down the street in Charlton or wherever he lived after the war.
 

version

Well-known member
I'm not sure I've seen that one... after Ichi the Killer, Visitor Q with all the necrophilic incest and breast milk all over the place and then that one where someone pulls their own stomach out of their mouth with fish hooks I'd kinda had enough of that guy to be honest.
That pic of the guy with the cow head I posted's also from Gozu.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
There is a Japanese film called The Bedroom (also sometimes known more luridly as Unfaithful Wife Shameful Torture) which was extremely controversial - not because of its subject matter (which was fairly... hard-hitting) but cos it has a cameo from a guy who was a student in France until he killed and ate one of his fellow students. Some kind of legal and diplomatic mix-up meant that he was sent back to Japan without being charged and as a result he couldn't be charged there either, meaning that despite there being no doubt as to his guilt, he remained free to walk around and, indeed, appear in films. I saw it without being aware of this and it's a really good film but that seems unnecessarily confrontational.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
It is actually a very interesting film. A club where women work at a brothel and take this drug to knock them out while men have their way with them (an idea copied by an Australian film a few years later). But shot in this very strange cold way... the first scene I seem to remember with the main actress all wrapped up in cellophane. I think her sister died in the club (maybe) and she investigates it but becomes addicted to the drug or something. Some good reviews on imdb, one of which begins "don't watch if you are turned off by amputation scenes".

Hisayasu Sato was one of the most infamous of bad boy directors in the so-called Japanese new wave of the 90's. Some like Takashi Miike have become cult institutions; but Sato seems to have disappeared off the face of the planet. Still, when he WAS working he was something of a latterday Rainer Werner Fassbinder and very proloific... and as was the case with Fassbinders' films for a long time, it's really hard to track down and watch Sato's films. Which alone makes this film "An Aria on Gaze", sometimes boringly re-titled "The Bedroom" so important. If you like linear Hollywood stories, forget it, go rent some soft-core crap, this will bore you. I admit a large reason I wanted to watch this was to see real life convicted cannibal Issei Sagawa, who fled France to live a life of semi-celebrity in Japan. Sure, it may be morally questionable to watch him exploiting his notoriety, but I'm a human being and by our very nature we are curious beings. That's why we can build 'stuff' and dogs can't... but I digress. Imagine Rocco Siffredi directing a script loosely based on Last Year At Marienbad and you come close to imaging the world of Hisayasu Sato's stylised S&M collages.
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
That isn't what happens in the Australian film. I haven't actually seen it, but I know the story. They do take drugs to knock themselves out, but there's a twist.
I have seen it... I can't remember the ending, but the idea of a brothel where girls take a sleeping drug so they don't know what happens to them is the same.
 

DannyL

Wild Horses
Looks like he turned it into a book

I have that, it's great. I think it was probably a book first. Really hard to process, what people were reporting and experiencing
 

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
I have seen it... I can't remember the ending, but the idea of a brothel where girls take a sleeping drug so they don't know what happens to them is the same.
This idea is in Neuromancer as well, isn't it? Possibly via some sort of neural implant rather than a drug, but basically the same idea.
 

martin

----
They do great subway posters, anyway, giving the impression you're about to enter Thunderdome...rather than a neat, well-organised transport system full of shy people (and the odd comatose, drunken salaryman who's just soiled his trousers)

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john eden

male pale and stale
There was that time a decade or so ago where it was almost a tautology that the most experimental and serious Avant Garde music came from Japan. The Wire covering those guys who made noise from no-input mixing boards, or improv stuff that involved playing one note every 15 minutes. Keiji haino as well of course.

That type of western fascination with Japan seems to have cooled off a little now sadly.
The 1990s was big on the Japanese noise stuff too. Mad exoticisation and crossover with bondage and porn side of things too.
 

woops

is not like other people
@Simon silverdollarcircle that kind of music you're talking about was called onkyou. I asked my mate what that meant and he tapped a metal pipe on the wall and said that's onkyou. There was a little venue in Tokyo I visited called Off Site that specialised in that stuff, very, very quiet music made by scraping a trumpet bell across the floor and so on, in front of a very very quiet and respectful audience. There was a good guitarist involved called Taku Sugimoto. A lot of the Sachiko M type, ultra high feedback minimalism and stuff was too extreme for me though. Had its moment as you say, they're all probably still at it
 

Corpsey

bandz ahoy
I realise that cute cartoons are only a particularly visible part of their culture for us but I wonder if after WW2 Japan wanted to tap into a more childlike innocent cutesy vibe, so as to distance themselves from being aggressive warmongering atrocity perpetrators?
 

muser

Well-known member
Someone told me once that kawaii culture was kind of a counter-culture originally, a rebellion against being austere and conformism. That person wasn't Japanese and I haven't read anything about it personally.
 
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