catalog

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Perhaps for a bit of fun during lockdown 3 vector could lead a zoom workshop for us on how we can become Mark fell and rian treanor
 

wektor

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Perhaps for a bit of fun during lockdown 3 vector could lead a zoom workshop for us on how we can become Mark fell and rian treanor
I've done a workshop in using this funny sequencer a while ago (as a part of promoting some mag release I wrote for a bit earlier), didn't have a proper mic back then so had to do it at uni studios.
if you promise to drink/talk on zoom I'm up for it and generally not be quiet- my internet is being installed on thursday. max is a bit tough to get straight away though, just as a warning.
 

wektor

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Well I don't drink alcohol but if that's the condition....
I don't really drink either, as long as I don't have to talk to myself it's fine.
@version I think you can simply do stuff that you want more easily once you get a grasp of the environment overall.
ie. funky beat-repeat is way easier to make and control if you build it into your own sequencer.
also depends on what you consider "better". I'm not good at writing melodies, I'm good at fiddling around with stuff that makes happy accidents happen, so I ditched clicking out notes for sequencing stuff in TidalCycles.
 

catalog

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I went to a workshop with Andy bolus / evil moisture once and it involved wrapping an object up with coils of wire which then meant it could pick up random radio stations. That was cool.

This looks like a similarly interesting way to make some choons
 

version

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In my case, I was just doing it for the sake of it. "I can build a step sequencer in this, so I will." If I actually wanted to make music, I'd just use my usual software, so I felt I was getting sidetracked tinkering with stuff when I should have been making music.
 

wektor

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In my case, I was just doing it for the sake of it. "I can build a step sequencer in this, so I will." If I actually wanted to make music, I'd just use my usual software, so I felt I was getting sidetracked tinkering with stuff when I should have been making music.
hmm I think it really depends on how you like your workflow, if you're only into actually producing stuff, as in recording, arrangement, mixing, so on, then making your own tools can surely be a bit annoying.
What's cool is after a while you can think of solutions for the problems that you've been having and you can make your own software that suits your needs exactly or sounds very unique.

I know some people who are really into making software but feel as just uncomfortable making music with it, as you do patching stuff in PD.
I think Fell's work is probably the middle ground. Lots of people are in the middle actually, Objekt works for NI, years ago, all those old geezers from experimental music studios would solder their own custom pieces of gear etc.
 

version

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hmm I think it really depends on how you like your workflow, if you're only into actually producing stuff, as in recording, arrangement, mixing, so on, then making your own tools can surely be a bit annoying.
What's cool is after a while you can think of solutions for the problems that you've been having and you can make your own software that suits your needs exactly or sounds very unique
Yeah, see I didn't have any particular problems I was trying to solve or any specific goals. I was just exploring the software. It was pretty fun, but at times it felt like a distraction. I also got a bit fed up spending ages on something which was really very basic, e.g. the step sequencers.

I might get PD or something again at some point and pick it up again. I think I've still got my notes lying around from when I was getting to grips with it. I messed around with Flowstone and Bidule a bit too and they seemed cool.
 

wektor

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Yeah, see I didn't have any particular problems I was trying to solve or any specific goals. I was just exploring the software. It was pretty fun, but at times it felt like a distraction. I also got a bit fed up spending ages on something which was really very basic, e.g. the step sequencers.

I might get PD or something again at some point and pick it up again. I think I've still got my notes lying around from when I was getting to grips with it. I messed around with Flowstone and Bidule a bit too and they seemed cool.
hmmm I haven't really encountered those before, they're both graphical and flow based right?
if you don't want to do basic stuff but something that feels very different I'd recommend taking a look at tidalcycles, you can use it for midi sequencing and it is very versatile and fun to experiment with.
I might get around to using supercollider on it's own as well at some point, but for now I think I'll stick to learning max more since it hasn't been long that I'm using it.

In regard to the discussion DAW versus coding your own shite,
I think I've missed the most important aspect of it: all DAWs might seem neutral but are actually quite biased and rigid.
Not even mentioning the tuning systems, if you think about it, why is it easier to make 4/4 rollers with arpeggios and a couple parameters automated to change every 16 bars?
Why not base everything off, say, euclidean rhythms that you're using anyway if you make dancehall or any kind of music that would fit into the continuum?
Why is it always move to the grid or just remove the grid completely?
Why should I be stuck with dragging chords around on a piano roll for the rest of my life?

I'm not saying audio programming languages or DSP environments are unbiased, but if you make your own tools for making music you're a layer deeper. You skip all of those shortcuts a DAW provides, which paradoxically can make translating ideas more convenient and quicker at times, at the same time providing you with inspiration. You just need a little bit of knowledge at first, it doesn't even take that long and sometimes even just switching between three frequency values can make a tune.

If you're interested see the church of dsp dot come there's a link to our paypal there if you would like to donate to our cause of disassembling the 4/4 equally tempered music estabilishment

Don't worry it will all be explained in thd workshop
should I make a poll for the date? we could figure out how to make breakcore on the weekend, if anyone's taking this seriously
I'm not sure myself
 
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