Adam Curtis

luka

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There's inconsistencies and contradictions in the way he tells it, but that is the thrust of thing. You've made yourself scared by listening to scary stories, they've convinced you you're powerless and easily manipulated but you're not

(The contradiction is in the they who tell the stories and the you that believes them)
 

luka

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I suspect hes also trying to make amends for his programmes becoming woven into conspiracy discourse, particularly the idea of Bernays as supervillain, making the passive populations the West dance to his tune.
 
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luka

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I'd have to think about this more closely to give a definitive answer but my hunch is that these are idealist documentaries, in the philosophical sense
 

Mr. Tea

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I reject the supervillain hypothesis. I've explained this several times.
Trump actually admitted that Putin intervened on his behalf in 2016. So it's not even really a conspiracy any more, so much as just a thing that happened.

And you seem perfectly happy with supervillains as long as they're American.
 

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luka

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And what is being presented are different dreamings of the world. How we are captured by this or that dream. So it's not a materialist conception at all.
 
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Miles Axe Copeland Jr. (July 16, 1916 – January 14, 1991) was an American musician, businessman, and Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) officer best known for his close personal relationship with Egyptian leader Gamal Abdel Nasser and his "controversial books on intelligence," including The Game of Nations: The Amorality of Power Politics(1969) and The Game Player: Confessions of the CIA's Original Political Operative (1989).[1]In his memoirs, Copeland recounted his involvement in numerous covert operations, including the March 1949 Syrian coup d'état, the Egyptian 1952 Coup d'etat and the 1953 Iranian coup d'état.[2] A conservative influenced by the ideas of James Burnham, Copeland was associated with the American political magazine National Review.[3][4] In a 1986 Rolling Stone interview, he stated, "Unlike The New York Times, Victor Marchetti and Philip Agee, my complaint has been that the CIA isn't overthrowing enough anti-American governments or assassinating enough anti-American leaders, but I guess I'm getting old."[5] He was the father of drummer Stuart Copeland of The Police, recognised as 'The Greatest Post-Punk band of them all.'
 
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luka

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So what Curtis would say for instance is that Communism is the beautiful, glorious dream of killing your masters.
 

sufi

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there are subtitles, and tbh it kept my attention better than AC ep6, which i nodded off and still havent got back to
 

Mr. Tea

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explains exactly how real, but also how banal is the putin conspiracy
Well "real but banal" is what I've been getting at all along. Luka baulks at it because, for him, the ultimate nightmare scenario isn't a world run by malevolent tyrants but a world that's boring.
 

luka

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Well "real but banal" is what I've been getting at all along. Luka baulks at it because, for him, the ultimate nightmare scenario isn't a world run by malevolent tyrants but a world that's boring.
i'd listen to you if had something intelligent and or interesting to say
 

luka

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but you seem to of managed to watch about 8 hours of film without it having made even the slightest impression on you.
 

luka

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you don't seem to have a sense of what it's arguing or why. you don't seem to have a sense of it's methods or it's effect. it's extraordinary.
 

Mr. Tea

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but you seem to of managed to watch about 8 hours of film without it having made even the slightest impression on you.
You've decided it backs up all the things you were already convinced of, even when he's saying things that directly contradict that.
 
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