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"Constitutional Affairs minister Harriet Harman, formerly in the Cabinet, called for a campaign to abolish the veil because it kept women down and "hid" them from society."

A great message to send to my family back in the day, and then people wonder why I don't want to be dead on a street for publically presenting as non-conforming.

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Axe for teacher who kept her veil on in the classroom

A Muslim teacher who insisted on wearing a veil in class has been suspended after the children complained they could not understand what she was saying.
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When tories are islamophobic, it's awful and detestable. When labourites do the same, we must keep our mouthes shut on grounds of lesser evilism.
 
IdleRich

IdleRich

IdleRich
Although by random you actually touched on the truth - I guess even a stopped cock is right twice a year - in that it's not my money cos it wasn't taken from me. I left the UK before Johnson could get his hands on anything I own.
 
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IdleRich said:
Although by random you actually touched on the truth - I guess even a stopped cock is right twice a year - in that it's not my money cos it wasn't taken from me. I left the UK before Johnson could get his hands on anything I own.
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Careful there, not a good idea to admit frauding on a public forum. In the world of taxation, one is guilty until proven innocent.
 
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either way I'd hardly blow hot air about ownership of your transitory record label, though you have a fantastic sleazy show on threads, it definitely gets my approval 🔫

Now if you can find some chemsex cossac folk gabber hybrid I'll get you some free pints.
 
Mr. Tea

Mr. Tea

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@boxedjoy, you really ought to know better than this by now. @thirdform is not only more radical than you. He is more radical than you can possibly imagine, and will just hit you with slogans such as "protest is complicity", "democracy is Stalinism", "pacifism is racism" and "not-stabbing-people is violence" until your brain implodes. The better a person you are by any normal progressive metric, the more he hates you.
 
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On the techno thread they've called me a "faggot with no dick" and then a random new user who is definitely a real person has turned up at 2am to create a profile and then to make some digs about Scottish national identity as if I have any identification with it and as if doing so doesn't code as a weird act of (active) historical racism. So that's something.

I'd have switched on Ignore but the threads they populate are hard enough to follow with their illogical style, without removing him.

I'll probably just withdraw from here, standing up to playground trolls doesn't make it any more fun a place to play.
 
Mr. Tea

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IdleRich said:
Although by random you actually touched on the truth - I guess even a stopped cock is right twice a year - in that it's not my money cos it wasn't taken from me. I left the UK before Johnson could get his hands on anything I own.
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No doubt taxpayers' money is frittered away on vanity projects, ivory backscratchers and MP's mistresses in Portugal too, although maybe not as blatantly as it is here.
 
Mr. Tea

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Then again, I don't live in Portugal, so maybe they're equally or more blatant about it over there, for all I know.
 
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Mr. Tea said:
@boxedjoy, you really ought to know better than this by now. @thirdform is not only more radical than you. He is more radical than you can possibly imagine, and will just hit you with slogans such as "protest is complicity", "democracy is Stalinism", "pacifism is racism" and "not-stabbing-people is violence" until your brain implodes. The better a person you are by any normal progressive metric, the more he hates you.
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to be fair I should have let him moralise away in his own pathetic despondency but I'm sick and tired of the anti-war marches being used as some act of moral good work no doubt something @sufi can empathise with being familiar with the M.E. People should really know better now that talking about going on anti-war marches just makes you look like a big twat to our families who have to suffer the direct consequences of wars and geopoliticking in the middle east. There's nothing wrong with having gone on those marches, (although tbf I'm not one for saviour complexes) but mentioning them 16 years after the fact as a moment of political awakening. I won't have that.

I mean I have an entire paper at my desc about labour meddling in Iraq from 1945-51, so it's hardly if blairism came out of the blue. But clearly I'm the raving loony here, rather than marcello carlan.
 
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And let's be real, if wmds were found in Iraq, half of the people on those poncy marches would be baying for blood to contain the dictator Saddam Hussain. No wonder Fouad Ajami made a career out of being the native (arab) pro-intervensionist anglo-american neocons creamed their pants over! Because Brits and Americans have an astounding ability to constantly avoid what is in front of their eyes, I don't blame him, if I could make the cash he was making, I'd become a war hawke just to troll your countrymans civilising humanitarian nonsense.
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this has always been @craner 's line on this forum btw, kind of funny people didn't clock this. If the wmds weren't a useful pretext for the left to rally around they would have all been pro-intervensionist, which was Ajami's argument against stagnant arab authoritarianism of course...
 
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The absence of a revolutionary movement in Europe has reduced the Left to its simplest expression: a mass of spectators who swoon with rapture each time the exploited in the colonies take up arms against their masters, and who cannot help seeing these uprisings as the epitome of Revolution. At the same time, the absence from political life of the proletariat as a class-for-itself (and for us the proletariat is revolutionary or it is nothing) has allowed this Left to become the "Knight of Virtue" in a world without virtue. But when it bewails its situation and complains about the "world order" being at odds with its good intentions, and when it maintains its poor yearnings in the face of this order, it is in fact attached to this order as to its own essence. If this order was taken away from it, it would lose everything. The European Left is so pitiful that, like a traveler in the desert longing for a single drop of water, it seems to aspire for nothing more than the meager feeling of an abstract objection. From the little with which it is satisfied one can measure the extent of its poverty. It is as alien to history as the proletariat is alien to this world. False consciousness is its natural condition, the spectacle is its element, and the apparent opposition of systems is its universal frame of reference: wherever there is a conflict it always sees Good fighting Evil, "total revolution" versus "total reaction."
The attachment of this spectator consciousness to alien causes remains irrational, and its virtuous protests flounder in the tortuous paths of its guilt. Most of the "Vietnam Committees" in France split up during the "Six Day War" and some of the war resistance groups in the United States also revealed their reality. "One cannot be at the same time for the Vietnamese and against the Jews menaced with extermination," is the cry of some. "Can you fight against the Americans in Vietnam while supporting their allied Zionist aggressors?" is the reply of others. And then they plunge into Byzantine discussions . . . Sartre hasn't recovered from it yet. In fact this whole fine lot does not actually fight what it condemns, nor does it really know much about the forces it supports. Its opposition to the American war is almost always combined with unconditional support of the Vietcong; but in any case this opposition remains spectacular for everyone. Those who were really opposed to Spanish fascism went to fight it. No one has yet gone off to fight "Yankee imperialism." The consumers of illusory participation are offered a whole range of spectacular choices: pacifist demonstrations; Stalino-Gaullist nationalism against the Americans (Humphrey's visit was the sole occasion the French Communist Party has demonstrated with its remaining faithful); the sale of the Vietnam Newsletter or of publicity handouts from Ho Chi Minh's state . . . Neither the Provos (before their dissolution) nor the Berlin students have been able to go beyond the narrow framework of anti-imperialist "action."
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Mustapha Khayati.

Two Local Wars

The Arab-Israel war was a dirty trick pulled by modern history on the good conscience of the Left, which was communing in the great spectacle of its protest against the Vietnam war. The false consciousness that saw in the NLF the champion of "socialist revolution" against American imperialism...
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IdleRich

IdleRich

IdleRich
boxedjoy said:
On the techno thread they've called me a "faggot with no dick" and then a random new user who is definitely a real person has turned up at 2am to create a profile and then to make some digs about Scottish national identity as if I have any identification with it and as if doing so doesn't code as a weird act of (active) historical racism. So that's something.

I'd have switched on Ignore but the threads they populate are hard enough to follow with their illogical style, without removing him.

I'll probably just withdraw from here, standing up to playground trolls doesn't make it any more fun a place to play.
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Please don´t do that.
We can´t have this can we @sufi ?
 
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IdleRich said:
Please don´t do that.
We can´t have this can we @sufi ?
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Don't be ridiculous. I was quite civil in that thread until my hand was forced, and even regarding that dido comment, it was not intended as a personal attack, just a style of music criticism I am unable to click with. Hur dur you are unable to appreciate criticism, except, what does Reynolds say here?

'Good songs' was a bugbear of mine in those days. Not good songs per se (I like a shapely melody, who doesn't?), but the critical fixation on the Song as the be-all and end-all of music. Apart from the fact that there's hardly a shortage of well-crafted, heart-felt tunes in the world, what irked me was this way of treating music as surrogate literature (the song as short story or mini-screenplay), in the process totally ignoring sound-in-itself: the insistence of riffs, the sensuousness of timbre, the sorcery of production, the marvel of groove, the mystery of melodic beauty itself.
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What troubles critics about Mantronix, about house, is that they're illegible. You can't read anything into them. There's no text, just texture, and those who endeavour to wrap meanings around the music are always shown up, the failed despots of discourse. The sheer opaque, arbitrary force of the music slips the net of meaning, again and again.
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@blissblogger on Mantronix - Melody Maker 1987.

All I say is I like to utilise this approach for music that isn't house, which causes the toddler to throw all his toys out of his pram and go on about how I can't enjoy a pitchfork review. For starters I don't need the pitchfork/fact/wire ecosystem to consume or read about music in the first place, but anyway...
 
IdleRich

IdleRich

IdleRich
I couldn't give a fuck what you think about music criticism (or anything else for that matter), the point is that you made someone (actually a good poster who just gave their opinion - hardly "forced your hand" which is a classic wifebeater's defence anyway) feel uncomfortable and talk about leaving the forum.
 
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