subvert47

I don't fight, I run away
yeah I mean you see even, for instance, the university educated intelligentsia mostly remaining shtum about this, because they cannot figure out if the roma are brown or white in their weird oppressed vs oppressor category

It's nothing like as calculated as that. It's more because...

The racism towards traveller communities is completely accepted in this country, even down south

i.e. they basically feel the same way.
 

wild greens

Well-known member
The Northern Independence Party is possibly the worse name I've ever heard for a political party. fucking NIPs!

It's more pathetic ideology from the supposed "far left" in the South assuming they're somehow in touch with the mythical North. Their twitter is a terrifying amateur mix of cat memes and shite like "Northumbria"

The tories will win Hartlepool. Starmer is useless but this is not real opposition and someone from Swindon has no right to attempt to talk on the North's behalf.
 

boxedjoy

Well-known member
they're determined to make this impossible, aren't they. They're not going to win over the Tories, they're going to alienate their core base, and they're going to destroy their brand long-term with idiots like Nichols "oh I didn't realise what that word meant" who are clearly in it for career motivations instead of belief and fury.
 

wild greens

Well-known member
As I said in here yesterday they are chancing their arm because they know there is an "acceptable" level of racism towards travellers in the country. Most people will agree with that.

It is an attempt ultimately to move towards a soft pseudo-centrist Conservative platform, on the basis that people will be alienated enough by the Tories that they will fuck them off and join in with Labour now that they're not socialists* anymore

It's like when grime MCs used to do shit dance tunes to try and go commercial
 

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
"Now that they're not socialists any more" applies to Labour (as a parliamentary party) for the last 30 years, though.
 

DannyL

Wild Horses


"traveller incursions"

The shadow minister for women and equality no less.
That is bad.
Rachel Swidon is not from Swindon btw (I think). I think her account is run by the partner and is Corbynite faithful/terrible "Left" takes for clicks meets grifting appeals for cash.
 

DannyL

Wild Horses
Has actually responded to backlash though rather than trying to brassneck it out:
Not especially believable but at least there's an acknowledgement they've fucked up and it'll be corrected, I assume.
 

subvert47

I don't fight, I run away
That is bad.
Rachel Swidon is not from Swindon btw (I think). I think her account is run by the partner and is Corbynite faithful/terrible "Left" takes for clicks meets grifting appeals for cash.

So that's Owen J, AAV and Rachel S all trashed in a couple of pages. Are there any left wing commentators you don't dismiss as terrible?
 

DannyL

Wild Horses
I used to like AAV a few years ago. I still think him and OJ are capable of decent journalism. The latter more so.

Rachel S - not so much.
 

DannyL

Wild Horses
By all means recommend some you think are decent. The more distant they are from the Labour party, the more I'll like 'em probably.
 

thirdform

pass the sick bucket
The Northern Independence Party is possibly the worse name I've ever heard for a political party. fucking NIPs!

It's more pathetic ideology from the supposed "far left" in the South assuming they're somehow in touch with the mythical North. Their twitter is a terrifying amateur mix of cat memes and shite like "Northumbria"

The tories will win Hartlepool. Starmer is useless but this is not real opposition and someone from Swindon has no right to attempt to talk on the North's behalf.

Agreed with all of this, but don't pretend northerners don't also love playing into this so-called mythical north. From football to music, they try to elevate themselves above southerners, even though they are all the same nationality and most of these northerner lefties moaning would recoil from living in a house in green lanes 700£ pm with a boiler not working and fungi growing out of the kitchen.
 

thirdform

pass the sick bucket
"Now that they're not socialists any more" applies to Labour (as a parliamentary party) for the last 30 years, though.

tbf they were never a state socialist party (in the way that the social democrats in Germany or France or Italy were) that was the BSP of henry Hyndman from 1911-1920. Labour has always been a compact between university educated fabian reformers and trade union bureaucrats. Any nods they had to socialism were in that poncy clause 4 rubbish, and blair abolishing it was the only good thing he did.
 
Top