Keir Starmer

IdleRich

IdleRich

IdleRich
The way I see it the LDs betrayed everyone who voted for them, especially those who voted for them precisely to keep the Tories out, they traded their credibility for a chance of electoral reform which they were then outmanoeuvered on so badly they may as well have not bothered. They made themselves untouchable after that and ushered in Tory rule, Brexit etc for me that's where British politics went horribly wrong. The cunts.
 
john eden

john eden

male pale and stale
Mr. Tea said:
OK, absent Jones and the balance of opinion is generally not favourable, granted. But the Guardian is a newspaper, not an in-house publication of the Labour party, and it's under no obligation to support any given Labour leader. It's hardly as if they none of their writers ever had an unkind thing to say about Tony Blair. And while there did seem to be a brief honeymoon period with Starmer, they've carried a number of critical articles about him since the turn of the year, e.g. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/mar/29/keir-starmer-year-labour-poll-ratings

Moreover, Labour's annihilation in 2019 was largely due to older, socially conservative, working-class voters in the Midlands and North switching to the Tories. That's hardly the Guardian's key readership demographic in the first place.
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It is a liberal/centrist paper that will occasionally allow token voices from the left in for a bit of diversity.

Nobody on the left should have any doubts about that now, which is the point that subvert47 was making.
 
version

version

Well-known member
Mr. Tea said:
The thing is, the UK is far from being the only country in the world that still has a monarchy. There's another eight or so just in Western Europe. Do they all constantly lurch from one controversy or crisis to the next? Maybe we just don't hear about it, but they mostly seem to have a bit less of all that going on. (With some exceptions - that missing Dubai princess, the Thai king's notorious drug-fuelled debauchery...)
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www.theguardian.com

Spain's scandal-hit former king Carlos settles over £600,000 tax bill

Ex-monarch settles tax arrears including fines and interest, according to his lawyers
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Spanish king’s sister to stand trial on tax fraud charges

Charges against Cristina de Borbón were brought as part of an inquiry into the business dealings of her husband
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Spain's king renounces inheritance and cuts father's income over 'offshore fund'

Royal household responds after report named King Felipe as a beneficiary of an alleged offshore fund set up by his father in 2008
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IdleRich

IdleRich

IdleRich
Spanish king used to be very popular I think (I used to go out with a Spanish girl and she told me it was very common for people to say "I don't agree with the monarchy but I do like this guy"), he kinda spent all his cultural capital though and now everyone hates him, so the world is as it should be in that respect.
 
Mr. Tea

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
version said:
www.theguardian.com

Spain's scandal-hit former king Carlos settles over £600,000 tax bill

Ex-monarch settles tax arrears including fines and interest, according to his lawyers
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
www.theguardian.com

Spanish king’s sister to stand trial on tax fraud charges

Charges against Cristina de Borbón were brought as part of an inquiry into the business dealings of her husband
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
www.theguardian.com

Spain's king renounces inheritance and cuts father's income over 'offshore fund'

Royal household responds after report named King Felipe as a beneficiary of an alleged offshore fund set up by his father in 2008
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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Oh phew, that's much better. :)
 
Mr. Tea

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
IdleRich said:
The way I see it the LDs betrayed everyone who voted for them, especially those who voted for them precisely to keep the Tories out, they traded their credibility for a chance of electoral reform which they were then outmanoeuvered on so badly they may as well have not bothered. They made themselves untouchable after that and ushered in Tory rule, Brexit etc for me that's where British politics went horribly wrong. The cunts.
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What's funny is to think back to the time when they were briefly minor darlings of the left, because they were the only major(ish) party to vote as a whole against taking part in the Iraq invasion. All spunked against the wall long ago now, of course.
 
Mr. Tea

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
craner said:
Apart from all the more recent stuff that started with the, uh, Reform Act 1832.
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We still have a lower house of members selected by FPTP in which one of two large parties is expected to form a government with an absolute majority, and an upper house including members who sit by either hereditary or divine right. There was a chance to change the voting system at least a little bit ten years ago, but we said no to that.

The next big change on the horizon looks likely to be either Scotland or Northern Ireland, or both, exiting the union.
 
D

DannyL

Wild Horses
The old saw "oppositions don't win elections, governments lose them" comes to mind for me.

With the balls deep commitment to corruption, I wouldn't be surprised to BoJo fuck it up somewhat over the next few years.

That's a very slender servings of hope I admit.
 
WashYourHands

WashYourHands

Cat Malogen
Mr. Tea said:
Scotland or Northern Ireland, or both, exiting the union.
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Scotland is split, north of Ireland that’s a lot of belligerent, bowler-hatted, Orange cuntery

Imagine the metastasising right wing here confronted by Hong Kong resident visas, then a Tory govt offering to “repatriate“ Ulster Plantation descendants....No Surrender is a tattoo of identity and they’d have more fun saying no to leaving the union and winding up Dublin than what may actually benefit future generations

Arlene Foster and the entire DUP should be exiled on the Falklands, as a side note
 
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thirdform

pass the sick bucket
Bo Jo will fuck it up for sure, but that misunderstands Bo Jo's appeal. he's managed to unite the Berlisconi type sleazebag wing of the tory party with a section of the old patrician establishment. For instance he is in a very real sense to the left of the ERG.

Him fucking it up is more impetus for his lyalists to vote for him, as its a middle finger to technocratic labour, which they see in bed with Brussles, lexit notwithstanding.
 
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