obnoxious people

Woebot

Well-known member
i don't think there are genuinely obnoxious voices today.
or at least if they are there they don't hold the mic.
i'm thinking of the likes of johnny rotten or morrissey.

these days obnoxiousness is limited to offending people on the other side of culture wars barricade.
someone like trump isn't truly obnoxious.

usually it's right-on-left obnxiousness.
but there's plenty of left-on-right woke nonsense too.

i wonder if there are people who set out to be deliberately arrogant, capricious, conceited and judgemental.
rather than like, it seems almost everyone, trying to be mellifluous. or acceptable to their faction.
 

john eden

male pale and stale
Partly this is a generational thing. The society that produced punk and post punk no longer exists. And it is much harder to genuinely shock people now.
 

craner

Beast of Burden
acceptable to their faction

This is a key shift, because exposure is determined by social media which is to some degree self-generating and it is therefore crucial to have a faction to build on. This also means you have to try to appeal to it and are therefore subservient to it. True obnoxiousness, or iconoclasticism, is not so possible, if not impossible.
 

linebaugh

Well-known member
This is a key shift, because exposure is determined by social media which is to some degree self-generating and it is therefore crucial to have a faction to build on. This also means you have to try to appeal to it and are therefore subservient to it. True obnoxiousness, or iconoclasticism, is not so possible, if not impossible.
Theres social media celebs whose entire brand is being reviled; morbid curiosity their entire draw with no real faction to speak of.
The medium itself is pacifying though, not really shocking like some older era iconoclast propped up by some institution
 
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linebaugh

Well-known member
er, trump?
"these days obnoxiousness is limited to offending people on the other side of culture wars barricade.
someone like trump isn't truly obnoxious.

usually it's right-on-left obnxiousness.
but there's plenty of left-on-right woke nonsense too."
 

sufi

lala
rewind 15 years
 

Dusty

Tone deaf
Does Katie Hopkins count? Sharpening her opinions to antagonise the most people and gain airtime through notoriety, opinions so vulgar that half her own faction are forced to disown her (like J Clarkson on steriods).

Obnoxiousness as a career. A professional obnoxious.
 

john eden

male pale and stale
Does Katie Hopkins count? Sharpening her opinions to antagonise the most people and gain airtime through notoriety, opinions so vulgar that half her own faction are forced to disown her (like J Clarkson on steriods).

Obnoxiousness as a career. A professional obnoxious.
She is quite a good shout but when her credit rating decreased she jumped into bed with the alt-right grifters as far as I can tell. So it wasn’t sustainable.

The headteacher at my kid’s school in Tottenham showed a Katie Hopkins clip to them during one assembly. About how she wouldn’t let her kids play with kids called Tyler. The lesson being, some shit people will judge you from being from Tottenham, so you need to work hard and be proud and stick together. I thought that was great.
 
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