the emperor’s new clothes

IdleRich

IdleRich
Jim Beam has done notably well in offering unique variations on their traditional bourbon at a price point that even the likes of a whiskey reviewer can afford. In particular, their Black Extra Aged (née Double Aged) bottling was a welcome addition to the lower shelves of your liquor store’s bourbon display. So it was with great anticipation that, earlier this year, The Whiskey Wash announced that Beam would soon introduce a twice barreled bourbon—and, sure enough, a bottle of Jim Beam Double Oak is now in my hands.
I really don't like the phrase "price point" - does it exist in real life or only in marketing and the like? Do people ever say "You know that new restaurant, I'm thinking of going, do you know what the price point is?" or "Yeah I'll get you some fags from the corner hop but you only gave me a tenner and their price point is actually twelve quid"?
 

sus

Well-known member
Come to think of it, it makes sense framing is important, since framing is basically defining what a thing is, which serves as the basis of judgment.
 

luka

Well-known member
but the framing is dependent on the situation at the time eg if i am on drugs or if i am bored and irritable
 

IdleRich

IdleRich
Yeah, this is an important point. It's bit like the way many gay men look nostalgically on times before the normalization of homosexuality, when it was still deviant, dissenting, different—"something's lost and something's gained / in living everyday."
Also see what we were saying in the football thread, about how in the seventies and before that the continental teams and players were something of an unknown quantity to those of us on our island ,and those from Brazil and Argentina were a complete mystery, players and totally different systems of tactics were revealed in dazzling moments of previously unseen skills during the world cups. Now the best players from South America play in Europe and skill levels everywhere are so much higher, the game itself is better.... but those magic four yearly bursts of excitement are simply gone and won't come back and something has been lost.
And that in turn got me thinking of my own trivial version of that. When I was about five or six we went on a camping holiday in France and I remember dad getting up early and going for a walk somewhere and then coming with this amazing bounty that I had never seen before, a long crusty bread which it turned out I really liked (interesting aside - did you know the French don't have their own word for baguette?) and soft creamy cheese and, I dunno, probably some cold meat or something. Amazing magical breakfast.... which, fast forward a few years, can now be assembled with ease by nipping into any supermarket. In fact you can eat food from all over the world easily and it's obviously a great thing and I would never want to go back.... but magical moments like that one I remembered have been lost.... though possibly brexit will bring them back of course.
 

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
I really don't like the phrase "price point" - does it exist in real life or only in marketing and the like? Do people ever say "You know that new restaurant, I'm thinking of going, do you know what the price point is?" or "Yeah I'll get you some fags from the corner hop but you only gave me a tenner and their price point is actually twelve quid"?
Yeah, I began to notice it a few years ago. Annoying and pointless.
 

sus

Well-known member
@IdleRich it's like we've stopped being different cultures and become different subcultures, stopped being different countries and are all just cities of a megalopolis. Regional variations on the same global monoculture
 

WashYourHands

Cat Malogen
Yeah but the British could never have invented the cheese-steak. If you presented us with one we’d poke it with a stick, make generalisations about American savagery, then when no-one was looking steal your entire stockpile
 

Clinamenic

Binary & Tweed
To back up that suggestion, and from what I remember of Metamorphosis, the work seemed to be a lucid testimony of alienation, to such a degree as to elude rational expression, hence the extremity. The alienation can be generalized and situationally applied to the modern condition, etc.

Come on dawk, you can do better than that. Give me five minutes with the text and I can go further.
 

luka

Well-known member
starb is a terrible nickname. really ugly. ungainly. gawky. infelicitous. probably the worst nickname ive ever seen in my whole life.
 
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