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Dude you really need to shut the fuck up sometimes.
Maybe but even if the left was able to hold onto these freaks what would change? For sure there'd be more banter and we could shitpost even more but apart from that, the left as it were was long contained way before 09/11. Especially considering that countries like the US and UK have a huge unproductive sector which produces no commodities whilst also being integral to outsourced production in Asia. Result: the more richer we get, the greater our national debt.
This did not have to be the case. There were a number of times when a wider anti-authoritarian and ant-imperialist movement that was authentically inclusive was nearly forged over the last 20 years. Not everyone on the “left” or the “right” have authoritarian and statist inclinations. Most, I’d argue, do not.
One of the first high-water marks was in the anti-globalization movement of the late ‘90s and early ‘00s. This was a massive international movement that was starting to pose a serious threat to global corporatism. It was building to a intense culmination point -- a rally and march on Washington DC that would have included thousands of group and unions, which was scheduled for the end of September, 2001 in the midst of economic recession.
9/11, of course, directly caused the cancellation of this march, but it also effectively ended the movement. The War on Terror became the focus of the Empire and its media outlets, and xenophobia, fear and war became the norm. Even here, though, there was still a glimmer of hope. More and more people began to seriously and actively doubt the official story of what happened on that day. Many of these doubters were former anti-globalization activists.
There was a opportunity for the movement to be reborn by taking a much deeper parapolitical turn in its analysis, to discover how the system frequently uses conspiracy to protect its structure and deflect crisis. It would have only taken Noam Chomsky to say that it was a legitimate perspective to doubt the official story of 9/11 in order for this movement to crystallize. Chomsky, limiting his methodology to the analysis of public documents (and I don’t believe he had more sinister aims in mind), did not do this.
Instead, the remnants of the anti-globalization left largely followed Chomsky’s lead and adapted the “blowback” thesis for 9/11. This move, I think, alienated hundreds of thousands from the left. These people, sent adrift as I was, scrambled to find answers elsewhere and it didn’t take long to find them. They were discovered in the old conspiratorial right and in its new media incarnations.
How many people were driven directly, and seemingly paradoxically, from Chomsky to people like Alex Jones and beyond from about 2002 to 2006 just because the left had no good answer of what really happened on 9/11?
A leftist answer was there, from rare critics like Peter Dale Scot, but it became totally overshadowed by the onslaught of conspiracy theories from the right. And once people became convinced that the government and the media was lying about 9/11 -- that it seemed unavoidable but to conclude that the government murdered its own people either indirectly or directly -- then it became possible that all conspiracy theories could be true. All needed to be investigated “independently.”
And what or who was really behind these conspiracies? The CIA? The Deep State? The NWO? The aliens? But the hard right already had a well-worn track in place to direct researchers to the real culprits: the Jews.
This, I think, is the real origin of the alt-right, long before it had taken on that name. It consisted of mainly online researchers, many once affiliated with the anti-globalist left, who were directed through the rabbit hole straight to the clutches of the already deeply paranoid and anti-Semitic hard right. The popularization of the critique against Cultural Marxism began at this point.
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Interesting for sure.
Although im way less reverential to all that antiglobalisation stuff. Remember all that reclaim the streets malarky. Circus.
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he was at the early anti-globalisation protests in the nineties and they felt important to him. the illuminati took them them seriously and put a lot of effort into shutting them down. they were rattled by them.
Sure, but these sorts of conspiracies are huge in the islamic world. Because what people practice and what people preach are miles apart from each other. As much as people will concede a theological point to the clerics - I.E: that a struggle against dar-al-harb is necessary, they will always qualify it with but 'oh we don't live in the 7th century.'
In this sense I find a lot of American religious leftism utterly nauseating. It used to be that white lefties used to fear the borderline hard secularism of middle eastern radicals and would wet their pants - 'are they islamophobic or not?' But NATO, way before 9-11 did a good job at helping fund religious mafia culture under the rubric of antisovietism.
But just because something is shut down doesn't automatically mean its a threat to the existing order of things. It may be a threat to XYZ governments but that's another story.
Put it another way: why are protests always so anodyne? Why are they so prone to being shut down? As soon as the riot police are called in, it's over. The same could not be said for the much harsher tactics of wildcat strikes.
I think Zizek is right here. Protests are (at their base) *sniff sniff* pure ideology.
Well yes, you are an uncouth American. In Anatolia the national intelligence deals in heroin and racketeering, amongst many other delights of modern civilisation.
Not a conspiracy theory, true, and military history.
Gladio wasn't just restricted to Italy. In Turkey, gladio never died, and ironically, if it died during the reign of Erdogan, it's been resurrected in some of secular mafia state connections see Sedat Peker.
I didn't know you were a bovine punk rocker who listens to rage against the machine.
luka
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im not you weirdo.
Yes, and in part a movement from the libertarian right, not from anticapitalists. Doesn't mean rave was proto-socialist does it.