Gabby Pettito

sufi

sufi

lala
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not remotely true

Gabby GOT sympathy votes by being insta-friendly and there was a reaction to this, in which a vocal minority was upset

But you can't confuse the correction to a trend with a trend. The trend is sympathy. The correction is suspicion of that sympathy.

Thousands of men and women die every day. There were probably a half dozen American women killed in domestic violence disputes yesterday alone. Why is she on the news to begin with?
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Yeah i think you're right about that
 
sufi

sufi

lala
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Being not a gender essentialist means that some vague amorphous body of people called "men" who commit homicides has nothing to do with the vague amorphous body of people called "men" who are the victims of homicide. They're different people they're not "the same"
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But this is total bullshit :ROFLMAO:
 
Clinamenic

Clinamenic

Binary & Tweed
I'm inclined to believe there are neurochemical phenomena that would correlate with the body binary we project concepts of gender onto, phenomena that would constitute a basis for explaining any discrepancy of homicide perpetration/victimization between self-reported men and women.
 
Clinamenic

Clinamenic

Binary & Tweed
But that is a belief at this point, rather than something I would call knowledge. Both are mutable, but my point is I can't point to any such data.
 
sufi

sufi

lala
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Really embarrassing that I have to explain to these old farts how not to be gender essentialists, and why pretty white women get more love from the "fake news" MSM than an overweight, unattractive POC who strips for money.
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the recently killed woman in London wasnt white btw
 
sus

sus

Moderator
sufi said:
what you mean?
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Black Americans are disproportionately the victims of homicide. Black Americans are also disproportionately those who commit homicides.

Now imagine that you'd showed up expressing sympathy for murdered whites, and I pointed out that black men were murdered at disproportionately higher rates, as support for "why we should care about black lives," and you'd quoted "black men also commit most murders" at me, as a rebuttal.

Is that an acceptable argument?
 
sufi

sufi

lala
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Black Americans are disproportionately the victims of homicide. Black Americans are also disproportionately those who commit homicides.

Now imagine that you'd showed up expressing sympathy for murdered whites, and I pointed out that black men were murdered at disproportionately higher rates, as support for "why we should care about black lives," and you'd quoted "black men also commit most murders" at me, as a rebuttal.

Is that an acceptable argument?
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you are extrapolating that point into oblivion

i'm interested in how the panics about stranger danger affects non male people though, and race panics probably work similarly
 
sus

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I don't care either way, these issues don't interest me.

But I do, sincerely now, believe there's a sexism—against women—in the "chivalrous" over-concern for Western women
 
sufi

sufi

lala
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I don't care either way, these issues don't interest me.

But I do, sincerely now, believe there's a sexism—against women—in the "chivalrous" over-concern for Western women
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Nah that's just dismissing women's legitimate concerns about getting killed by people with penises
 
sus

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Moderator
sufi said:
i'm interested in how the panics about stranger danger affects non male people though, and race panics probably work similarly
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Everyone knows that you're most likely to be killed by a person you know. That's not new or controversial.

I agree that the discourse/media can present a misleading picture though, where "sexual assault" is "man holding you down with a knife on the tube platform at 3am," and "murder" is something that's done by cold-blooded psychopaths.
 
Clinamenic

Clinamenic

Binary & Tweed
I feel some of these data points have a lot of noise because of all the unaccounted-for complexity.

I just learned about "redlining" and federally administered neighborhood grading on the basis of mortgage risk, and stuff like this just seems like a nightmare from a data science perspective, especially if we are trying to nudge things into a more just state of affairs.
 
sus

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Moderator
sufi said:
Nah that's just dismissing women's legitimate concerns about getting killed by people with penises
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This is my point. It doesn't matter what genitalia murderers have, for the woman being murdered.
 
sus

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Moderator
"Protect women from people with penises" is just boring 2nd wave gender essentialism nonsense. Get back to reading Betty Friedan and leave the contemporary well alone
 
Clinamenic

Clinamenic

Binary & Tweed
The example that comes to mind about unconsidered complexity adding noise into the data, is how human migration phenomena compound the district-grading phenomena in ways that make it unclear how much of an impact should be attributed to the implementation of these federal programs, and how much to attribute to relative nature.
 
sufi

sufi

lala
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"Protect women from people with penises" is just boring 2nd wave gender essentialism nonsense. Get back to reading Betty Friedan and leave the contemporary well alone
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what does Betty Friedan say? Is she the one who wrote about your backpack of priveleges?
 
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