The Coming Authoritarianism.

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DannyL

Wild Horses
Probably worth me adding that - when I do log in - I'm more likely to post a link or two then cut out - I don't have the sustained time to develop a big argument usually. Unless I'm annoyed about something like the conspiracy thread the other week. So apologies if not doing your (and others) responses justice.
 
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DannyL

Wild Horses
sufi said:
It's a good article and definitely identifies a phenomenon but (not really being involved in left circles, whatever they may be) i don't see this tankie/campist tendency as very significant - if they exist they are not influential, any more than other left sub-cults like the SWP.

and secondly i think the phenomenon doesnt just affect the tankies - there are campists on the right, and the left, and the centre - there are anti-corbyn campists. The whole "never Trump" (or "never Corbyn") trends are campism in that they values tribal loyalty over the substance of politics, no?

Campism deserves it's own thread
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I understand campism as something specifically about geopolitics. It doesn't just mean "camp" as in the sense of "rival camps". I believe it had it's origin in thinking of the USA and USSR as to distinct "camps" and posited "third campism" as the international organised working class. Jon or ThirdForm might be able to talk more about this.

In an everyday sense, a lot of comes down to what you think about NATO and our relations with Russia I think.
 
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The closest thing I can think of in terms of right wing campism is Trump and his supporters supporting Russia when they looked to be going after Hillary and that recent article Craner posted about some conservative Americans cheering on the Taliban, but, in both instances, it feels more like trolling and not the serious stance of the "tankies", plus it's less to do with imperialism and more to do with them disliking specific groups and individuals at home.
 
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DannyL

Wild Horses
sufi said:
It's a good article and definitely identifies a phenomenon but (not really being involved in left circles, whatever they may be) i don't see this tankie/campist tendency as very significant - if they exist they are not influential, any more than other left sub-cults like the SWP.
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I'm not sure about that - there's definitely a reflexive anti-intervention stance on the British Left - with good reason obvs - which would slide into campism. I think of Richard Burgon saying recently he'd give Labour members a vote on foreign policy so "No more Iraq!", etc etc
 
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sufi said:
It's a good article and definitely identifies a phenomenon but (not really being involved in left circles, whatever they may be) i don't see this tankie/campist tendency as very significant - if they exist they are not influential, any more than other left sub-cults like the SWP.
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It might just be a case of it being something to write and talk about atm. I've encountered very few people making excuses for China, let alone making excuses for China out of leftist opposition to the US.

You never know, maybe this is being pushed as a talking point to keep the left fighting amongst themselves.
 
sufi

sufi

lala
DannyL said:
I don't have anyone on ignore! I'm just not here all the time, kids, work etc. Luke would say that, Droid would've said I'm sure.
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but I don't think either would say that seriously - that America is evil - that's a morality judgement rather than political, for starters
 
sufi

sufi

lala
DannyL said:
I'm not sure about that - there's definitely a reflexive anti-intervention stance on the British Left - with good reason obvs - which would slide into campism. I think of Richard Burgon saying recently he'd give Labour members a vote on foreign policy so "No more Iraq!", etc etc
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yeah, that's what i mean about lacking influence
 
sufi

sufi

lala
DannyL said:
Probably worth me adding that - when I do log in - I'm more likely to post a link or two then cut out - I don't have the sustained time to develop a big argument usually. Unless I'm annoyed about something like the conspiracy thread the other week. So apologies if not doing your (and others) responses justice.
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we want more!
 
Clinamenic

Clinamenic

Binary & Tweed
Don't think I've seen a dorm that has all of this included in one building.

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Funny how that brief article mentions how Munger reportedly considers himself an amateur architect, which is cool and all but the no-windows thing is clearly a major downside.

edit: not that there are no windows, just that most of the dorm rooms are without them.
 
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Clinamenic

Clinamenic

Binary & Tweed
from Wiki:

Munger is famous for his quote All I want to know is where I’m going to die, so I’ll never go there. This thinking was inspired by the German mathematician Carl Jacobi who often solved difficult problems by following a simple strategy: man muss immer umkehren (or loosely translated, "invert, always invert.")

"[Jacobi] knew that it is in the nature of things that many hard problems are best solved when they are addressed backward," Munger counsels. "Indeed, many problems can’t be solved forward."[26]
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