J. H. Prynne

luka said:

How long they ask, we ask, it
is the question. So much time to
travel or stop and yet the heart
is so slow & reluctant

leave it, that's one
way- there, on the
ground. I love you

so, here but how long again, the
history of what we allow, are per-
mitted to have. A life for this
branch, dividing in the headlights

waiting, the beam in
prism, play or the sound
in a great arc for the

world, it is an open fire, a hearth
stone for the condition of trust.
Don't ever wait for that. Twist it
out, in ply and then run, for

the door: we must
have the divine sense,
of entrance. The way

in as what it is, not which then, or
how long as the question. Such things
are, the world that is fire, it burns
along all the horizons. It is

the heart, Where we
are. I love you, so
much. As this, as

this, which is for even more than I
could tell. The night flickers and
the day comes; has, will come. That's
the question, the mark strapped to

the hands; not the
eyes. Trust them, the
fire of the mind, lust

of the pure citizen, on every path
of the earth. The soil, tarmac, grass,
remorse, the sea, love is in the air
we breathe. Fire on the hearth. The life

in what I now have
and listen to, just so
long, as we are.

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craner said:

I actually like this one, it's a bit like if Creeley was writing for Clinton Cards

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version said:

Wonder whether he and Pynchon have read each other. There's some overlap, imo. Kirghiz for one, and that's explicitly mentioned in that piece Luka's posted before. There's also a poem of Prynne's called Die A Millionaire which reminds me of Gravity's Rainbow quite a bit. I mean...

the prime joy of
control engineering is what they please
to denote (through the quartzite window) "self-
optimizing systems", which they like
to consider as a plan for the basic
living unit. And thus "accelerating the con-
vergence of function", we come to our
maximal stance.

Imperialism was just
an old, very old name for that
idea, that what you want, you by
historic process or just readiness
to travel, also "need"-and
need is of course the sacred daughter
through which you improve, by
becoming more extensive. Competitive
expansion: if you can designate a
prime direction as Drang nach Osten
or the Western Frontier, that's to
purify the idea by recourse to History

J.H. Prynne – Die A Millionaire

(pronounced: "diamonds in the air") / The first essential is to take knowledge / back to the springs, because despite / everything and especially the recent / events carried under

genius.com

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linebaugh said:

lets say the poem is behaving like the very process it is describing (form mirroring content):

Conspicuous word choice- I think you could make several groups of similarly suggestive words, but for brevity lets just consider the overtly scientific sounding group: cell, particle, fluid, tropic. Lets call these words particles of pollen. Each suggest back to an original body of knowledge but scattered we have what constant was on about:

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version said:

I call this one Luka's Pantheon.

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borzoi said:

i think its basically the only real description of america in the 2010s. its all set in shitty suburban developments and office parks and has these long boring stretches punctuated with random acts of violence. and it all emanates out of this nuclear demiurge at the heart of everyone and everything. its the feeling of living at the end of the empire. says way more about the modern era than anything about trump ever could. you watch twin peaks and you see where someone like stephen paddock came from.

it's not a chore though, if you stick with it it's really funny and deeply humanistic, like you get the sense that david lynch really sees and cares about everyday people more than most of these disaffected 2010s authors. and it has a nice buddhist message about slowing down and observing the world and being kind to everyone around you. idk i hardly ever watch tv besides tng and what my girlfriend watches and i hate most of the overhyped netflix stuff but i think the return is really something special. but it has to vibrate at the right frequency for you. it doesn't for everyone and thats ok.

and yea its meant to look like shitty flat digital cos thats how we interface with the world.

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luka said:

@snav do you read JH Prynne? You should read this thread cover to cover you will love it

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luka said:

I want to be kind to everyone around me but also I really like being evil because it makes me laugh. I'm constantly torn between these two poles. @WashYourHands you might like this TP mini essay

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snav said:

> 67 pages
i think not but thanks

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snav said:

i think not but thanks

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craner said:

Very wise response.

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