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I don't really like slick Rick that much tbh. I'm sorry if you got that impression. Tricky name checks him a lot but when I first heard children's story I couldn't believe how much I didn't like it.
*dizzee voice* sorry sorry pardon what?
 

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I like it. He says "catalog" for a start. I like the pacing.

It feels quite different to quite a few0 you've posted.

Never heard of him, might investigate further. I like the naked and blatant, very honest desire for money.

I actually listened to the whole of that Blu album on bandcamp the other day, really enjoyed it.
well glad you enjoyed that at least, like with Jacka there was 2 or 3 i could've went with but that one's special imo
 

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@catalog don't forget them two tracks from 1980 and the UK/US tunes dem aswell i just put up either

how do you not like Children's story...IT'S CHILDREN'S STORY

you don't need some bullshit "hauntological" essay about how it channels the long abandoned spirits of King Penda or some shit to get why its good
 
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No I just don't like his wishy washy voice, feels a bit smarmy/patronising to me. And I never really got into him beyond that. I think he's a good rapper, but I don't like his style. The story itself is very good.

I don't like dizzees voice either btw.
 

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s'alright man i'll ease back

if my man wants to stop he's within his right to tell me, he hasn't and as far as i know he doesn't sneak off in the cover night to go get his UK2UK/Black Metal 2 fix so i'll keep this going lol
Have you listened to the babyfather takeover on rinse fm you might like it.

2nd hour

 

catalog

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I will listen to those others in next few days. I have ig in mind to make a 60 min mix of the best tracks you've posted, I've enjoyed quite a few of them.
 

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I don't really like slick Rick that much tbh. I'm sorry if you got that impression. Tricky name checks him a lot but when I first heard children's story I couldn't believe how much I didn't like it.
Your a bad person.
 

luka

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No I just don't like his wishy washy voice, feels a bit smarmy/patronising to me. And I never really got into him beyond that. I think he's a good rapper, but I don't like his style. The story itself is very good.

I don't like dizzees voice either btw.
I've never met a worse person. You should be locked up.
 

forclosure

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Have you listened to the babyfather takeover on rinse fm you might like it.

2nd hour

i will get around to this at SOME point in the future

but i'm gonna anounce that everybody even the people who don't talk music on dissensus should pelt you with tomatos for bringing up blunt again

also lastly you say Slick Rick sounds smarmy but what i've heard on Dean's "rapping" on there have you heard him? yknow what lets address this lets make it a talking point how is it that you recoil at Slick Rick and Dizzee(even if he's not really a rapper per se) but Dean Blunt is all good? What qualities does he have on the mic that the other two don't.

Cause there is a history of rappers who were once deemed "the worst ever" ending up being the most groundbreaking man on the mic
 

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I don't think he's a brilliant rapper or anything, but I do just really like the combinations of sounds he uses. And his voice doesn't annoy me. Whereas Rick's does for some reason.

Specifically on that rinse show, I really like the very heavy noise and then he's doing a sort of improve I suppose "come out the place". It feels like he's making something out of nothing, which I like.

And the very end where it becomes very very distorted.

I don't know, how do you explain the things you like? All I know is that when I heard children's story I was surprised myself I didn't like it. And similarly dizzee, I think he's brilliant in many ways, but something about the tone of his voice, it doesn't sit right with me.

I can respect both slick Rick and dizzee, I just don't particularly like them.
 

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there's no how to when it comes to explaining the things that you like but you can try and i feel like when you've asked me too or given a response i've explained why in regards to specific rappers or tunes.

I know like Gus you don't like upfront agression so i've tried to pivot to tracks that don't just display that for varieties sake more than anything
 

catalog

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I just enjoy the variety in Dean blunt, it's surprising and interesting to me. There's a lot of reference points that click for me. I like the videos. I like the samples he uses.

My favourite album of his for a long time was the narcissist II and there's no really a lot of rapping in that at all, it's more him singing, mainly inga singing.

But yes, I shouldn't have brought him up again.

I'll listen to those other tracks you posted over the holidays.
 

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i mean surely some of the stuff i've given here must fall under both surprising and/or interesting i've tried not making it a flurry of deep cuts that only i like to make it impenetrable.

Maybe that might be part of it but to go back to why i even started this you know that aswell as the indie rock,ambient or whatever thats in my mans music there's enough explicit and subtle rap n grime refferences in there that it just feels like a no brainer that you'd want to connect with it in some way.

jazz and rap both somehow get this stick where people that aren't into it or only like a few songs feel like they need to have some how to guide or big data breakdown in order to understand what make it work,that's how you get shit like rapgenius or those things that measure which rapper has the best vocabulary and it shouldn't be it stupid, some of it is people unwilling to engage with it on its own terms but also people who act like you have to be spraying technical bars over your dads collection of Sugar Minott or whatever.

The best way to learn to understand it is just listen to it even if you can't put it into words that you can't describe you can pick up and recognise things whatever reading or additional stuff along the way can add appreciation and texture to what might not come immediatly
 

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I have listened to nearly everything you've posted up and even gone and listened to some other stuff.

I have been surprised or interested in some of it and have said so.

But no, nothing so far has quite turned my head as it were. I think part of the issue, to be honest, is that whilst it might not seem like it to you, I have listened to a lot of music, all my life.

I would never claim to be an expert in anything, especially with the levels of knowledge people have on here, but I do know I have certain obsessions, dB being one of them.

Also to me, he has a very specific English sensibility to me, which is very important. Like I said, specific reference points, like yes there is grime in there but there's also Chris Morris.

I think like tricky, what I like about Dean blunt is how he takes rap and grime and makes his own thing from it.

I would love to be able to fall in love with some music which is new to me. And I do all the time, on here. But it is broadly less likely to happen with hip hop.
 

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so is that what's a major dissonance for you the fact that much of it is American and doesn't have that British sensibility to it? the lazy response would be just stick to British music but UK rap and hip hop is its own strange lineage that only recently's been taken seriously

also i can see what your saying with Tricky and Dean Blunt but at the same time i'd argue that more so with Tricky they take the techniques stylings and samples of rap but dish it out in a way that's not rough around the edges and unvarnished or in an "experimental" way that leans more towards what somebody who normally likes really dissonant or industrial electronic music.

i like Maxinqueye, Tricky's an interesting fella considering he came out of Bristol in the era that he did but at the same time i hardly hear anybody even stick up for his 3rd album
 
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As for all the blunt fans i've encountered they put comic book collectors to shame with i've seen people try to map out all the different points and loose tracks that you could only download once and never again.

I think what put me off Hype Williams when i first heard of them was the name, especially cause it was around that horrible time where bands in indie were coming up with "funny" names based on real people, so when i hear about all this other stuff or that talk Dean Blunt was at where he said how he don't think people protesting to Kendrick Lamar i'm like "ok that's a perspective how come nobody told me about this stuff with this guy?"

He does also remind me of certain aspects of indie rock people like Ariel Pink where like there's alot to grab a hold of and pontificate over but i'm thinking to myself the core of this is all bullshit isn't it?
 

catalog

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It's interesting to me that you've posted no UK hip hop, not that I was necessarily expecting any. But like you say, it's a strange lineage.

And that is why I like Dean blunt.

Re trickys third album. I actually really like one song on that, which is his cover of slick Rick's moment I feared. I love the way he says "valera" on it.

 

catalog

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As for all the blunt fans i've encountered they put comic book collectors to shame with i've seen people try to map out all the different points and loose tracks that you could only download once and never again.

I think what put me off Hype Williams when i first heard of them was the name, especially cause it was around that horrible time where bands in indie were coming up with "funny" names based on real people, so when i hear about all this other stuff or that talk Dean Blunt was at where he said how he don't think people protesting to Kendrick Lamar i'm like "ok that's a perspective how come nobody told me about this stuff with this guy?"

He does also remind me of certain aspects of indie rock people like Ariel Pink where like there's alot to grab a hold of and pontificate over but i'm thinking to myself the core of this is all bullshit isn't it?
What do you think of what he said at that talk tho?

I think it's the crux of the matter here, the question you are asking. Is it bullshit?

I don't know myself to be totally honest but I feel like I can trust what he says about his lived experience, and some of what he says wiry regard to race is very on point to me. If you think it's posing bullshit, that is fair enough. I guess I gave him the benefit of the doubt there and the music was strong enough for me.
 

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not to single Tricky out but that's the undercurrent that lurked in trip-hop waters innit?

its like how all that big beat stuff was basically hardcore tunes given performances enhancers and geared towards rock sensibilites
 
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