Clinamenic
Binary & Tweed
Yeah we might be able to credit D&G with bringing systems theory to psychoanalysis, now that I think about it.
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WashYourHands
Cat Malogen
Clinamenic
Binary & Tweed
One reason to read them is for the conceptual aesthetics, a sort of dizzyingly baroque handling of cybernetics concepts.
Clinamenic
Binary & Tweed
I think thats what initially attracted me to Nick Land and ccru, the intoxicating conceptual aesthetics inherited from D&G.
sus
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At the end of the day, millions of people spend hours "addicted" to 4chan, Reddit, YouTube, automobile boards, Discord, etc. If there was some special algorithmic dopamine-hacking magic that Facebook or Twitter found out, we'd expect those sites to be especially addictive. Ditto with notifications (cf @version on feedback) or social identity—millions of people waste their lives lurking Reddit and 4chan, never engaging, not even registering an account, etc.
At the end of the day, there's a much simpler explanation for why people find social media "addictive." People like consuming mindless entertainment. We've known this since radio, at least. If you wanna blame "algorithms" or "behavioral science harnessed," you need to make a strong comparative case between platforms, and I just don't see it.
At the end of the day, there's a much simpler explanation for why people find social media "addictive." People like consuming mindless entertainment. We've known this since radio, at least. If you wanna blame "algorithms" or "behavioral science harnessed," you need to make a strong comparative case between platforms, and I just don't see it.
WashYourHands
Cat Malogen
no, you just don't like what's been presented so dismiss it as invalid
like talking to luncheon-meat
like talking to luncheon-meat
WashYourHands
Cat Malogen
I can imagine you losing your phone one awful day, cancelling this, that and the other in a hurry, changing multiple passwords
and for what? addiction to convenience and you witter on like this isn't incentivised design burrowing into lives
at the end of the day is lazy English too, sort it out lad, you might not like the moon either but it's still out tonight
and for what? addiction to convenience and you witter on like this isn't incentivised design burrowing into lives
at the end of the day is lazy English too, sort it out lad, you might not like the moon either but it's still out tonight
sus
Moderator
"At the end of the day" is an unassumingly beautiful phrase. The decision must be made by nightfall. We cannot go to sleep with conflict unresolved, our mind undecided. At the end, there is perspective, at the end, an opportunity for grace. Minevera's owl etc. We lay down our arms and set aside details. We zoom out. We focus on only the load-bearing, everything else blurs.
luka
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you can definitely say, as a reductionist, that the body is a tool for extracting energy from the environment.
luka
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there are obviously open questions around for example, why we do things compulsively, why we do things that aren't 'good' for us, the extent to which we can distinguish between 'true' and 'false' needs, the extent to which we are manipulated, the extent to which that manipulation, if it exists, is conscious and derives from a sophisticated understanding of human psychology etc etc. all of this can be argued about and no conclusions will be drawn.
luka
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are we manipulated into coordinating like ants to build this intergrated world-system which is nightmarish, banal, miraculous, vulgar, monumental, wasteful, violent, unjust, etc but which basically works, at least in the eyes of us lot, the fed, clothed and housed? or does it just happen? how am i supposed to know?
luka
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thats just one anglo thread they draw on but there are others, like for example Mcluhan, Castenada, Laing, Burroughs, basically the english language 60s LSD canon is what they are comprised of more than anything. mass market paperbacks.