shakahislop

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how long before everyone gets bored of this crisis? i give it a couple more weeks, barring any major developments. the affective power is wearing off
 

Leo

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guess it depends on how things go, people might start paying more attention if it starts affecting them directly (food or fuel shortages, rising prices, etc.). also might be hard to compare with other conflicts because those didn't have a Zelensky driving TV coverage and social media chatter.
 

Clinamenic

Binary & Tweed
how long before everyone gets bored of this crisis? i give it a couple more weeks, barring any major developments. the affective power is wearing off
In a way, its in Ukraine's interest if this remains a global spectacle, insofar as it would force the crisis to remain in the conversation, which, after all, can have material consequences. I wonder if there is some information operation they have, geared around sustaining the newsworthiness of the conflict, as well as managing the optics.
 

wektor

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apparently the author of famous quote about the russian warship has been retrieved and is alive
 

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toko

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the only thing Russians will seriously demand is i think formal recognition of Crimea/occupied regions. putin realizes, (or maybe not idk) that neutrality is politically impossible for any Ukraine government. a promise to be neutral would be broken if the current gov if not the next. and since he has to come to peace terms with the present government, "denazification", or installation of a puppet isn't really feasible either. the only out that can save him face is Ukraine formally conceding those territories.
 
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Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
the only thing Russians will seriously demand is i think formal recognition of Crimea/occupied regions. putin realizes, (or maybe not idk) that neutrality is politically impossible for any Ukraine government. a promise to be neutral would be broken if the current gov if not the next. and since he has to come to peace terms with the present government, "denazification", or installation of a puppet isn't really feasible either. the only out that can save him face is Ukraine formally conceding those territories.
Even that's going to be a massive climbdown for him, since he obviously intended to conquer the whole country and incorporate it into Russia.

I wonder what percentage of Russians still buy the official line on the "special military operation"? Estimates on the number of Russian soldiers killed so far are already in the many thousands, perhaps as many as 15,000. Obviously Putin has a stranglehold on the media but that many sons failing to come home can't be kept quiet indefinitely.
 

Clinamenic

Binary & Tweed
If anyone's feeling generous, and doubts the major charity avenues, here's an Amazon wishlist made by a Polish shelter with 50+ Ukrainian orphans, shared by one of the leaders of UkraineDAO. Not sure how this works, but I assume it lets you buy things on Amazon for someone else's account.

 

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
Short but worthwhile piece, not specifically about Russia/Ukraine although that's the most pertinent current example of what the author's talking about.


This bit:

was trying to figure out what it was about the analyses of situations in Ukraine, Syria, China and beyond by people like Max Blumenthal, Caitlin Johnstone, Aaron Maté, the hapless Caleb Maupin and others — on what could loosely be described as the authoritarian or selectively anti-imperialist left — that I’ve found so off and even disturbing. It isn’t their critiques of US imperialism, facile as they often are. It isn’t their reflexive contrarianism or even their stubborn refusal to criticize in any serious way Vladimir Putin, Bashar al-Assad or President Xi. It is that, for this group of political analysts, local people’s struggles for sovereignty, dignity, peace and self-determination are not really real. All such battles must only be understood as proxy wars waged on behalf of great military powers.

really reminded me of what luka said a while back:

its not hard to understand. its literally just a boys board game. but you need to keep that in mind.
 

wild greens

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Short but worthwhile piece, not specifically about Russia/Ukraine although that's the most pertinent current example of what the author's talking about.


This bit:



really reminded me of what luka said a while back:
I read this on Max's background & origins of Grayzone a while back


I suppose this has been going on for ages with a variety of lads but as society has grown more media savvy and the internet has made it easier to find paper trails, it's a lot harder to obscure your benefactors & interests now

He's obviously on the take but i would assume half of twitter is at this point. A good graft depending on moral compass i guess
 

Leo

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is this whole "Putin was misled by his generals" meme an attempt to fuck with their heads, or a weird way to offer Putin some sort of plausible deniability/exit ramp? "Oh, Putin didn't know the real conditions, he would never have invaded otherwise". Not that anyone thinks that's true, but that't not the point.
 

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
I was reading about this earlier today. It would be pretty funny if the regime that has raised lying to an art form ultimately fails because the Bullshitter-in-Chief was getting bullshat by his own generals and ministers.

But I suppose it's an occupational hazard of being a dictator that your underlings will inevitably lie to you to make themselves look good, escape your wrath, or try and do each other over.
 

vimothy

yurp
perverse after effect of sanctions: demand for roubles goes down due to sanctions and up due to second order after effects of sanctions on commodity prices, netting out at zero or thereabouts
 
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