mixed_biscuits

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No doubt he told you about his unwillingness to pollute his body with potentially harmful chemicals made by an unethical corporation that cares only about money through a haze of tobacco smoke.
Imagine if the vax came packaged with pictures of people interrupting EFL matches with unaccountable heart attacks
 

wild greens

Well-known member
Re football, it isnt really a new problem


But it is a weird situation, we were talking about it the other week down Ebbsfleet and you cant pretend there isn't something happening

Thing is covid has increased myocarditis occurrences massively through infection and that's going to fuck with people badly, so who knows what happens long-term with all this. You might have greatly reduced vascular capacity in society going forward. Personally I don't think it is the vax and there is a huge amount of old lads doing bugle at the match, scary amounts tbh, but who knows

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Im puzzled by the amount of people who have got boosters but are still getting it, and suffering with it quite badly. If you've had three jabs and "mild" Omicron can still beat you up then what's the point? Maybe the body having to create a false immune response three times in a year then a variant on it turning up isn't that conducive to feeling great. Got to be able to ask these sort of questions without being accused of being a weird crank
 

Mr. Tea

Let's Talk About Ceps
Re football, it isnt really a new problem


But it is a weird situation, we were talking about it the other week down Ebbsfleet and you cant pretend there isn't something happening

Thing is covid has increased myocarditis occurrences massively through infection and that's going to fuck with people badly, so who knows what happens long-term with all this. You might have greatly reduced vascular capacity in society going forward. Personally I don't think it is the vax and there is a huge amount of old lads doing bugle at the match, scary amounts tbh, but who knows

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Im puzzled by the amount of people who have got boosters but are still getting it, and suffering with it quite badly. If you've had three jabs and "mild" Omicron can still beat you up then what's the point? Maybe the body having to create a false immune response three times in a year then a variant on it turning up isn't that conducive to feeling great. Got to be able to ask these sort of questions without being accused of being a weird crank
I guess you don't know how much worse it would have been if you hadn't had the vaccine? It does seem as if the vaccines are offering reduced protection over time, but you can't knock their effectiveness at preventing delta from going on the rampage again last year. It helps that omicron appears to be inherently less virulent, even if it is more transmissible.

The tricky thing about viruses is how quickly the little buggers mutate, so anyone developing vaccines is always playing catch-up, and in an evolutionary race between the sword and the shield, the sword is always ahead.
 

Slothrop

Tight but Polite
Also immune responses fade somewhat over time. I mean basically we're probably heading towards a flu-like steady state where immunity reduces the impact of catching the thing and most people top up their immunity once in a while by catching it. What vaccines got us is a route to the point where most people have some sort of immunity that wasn't just everyone catching it for the first time while having no immunity, plus the option of regular boosters for people who are at really high risk if they catch it at all (as with flu).
 

mixed_biscuits

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Also immune responses fade somewhat over time. I mean basically we're probably heading towards a flu-like steady state where immunity reduces the impact of catching the thing and most people top up their immunity once in a while by catching it. What vaccines got us is a route to the point where most people have some sort of immunity that wasn't just everyone catching it for the first time while having no immunity, plus the option of regular boosters for people who are at really high risk if they catch it at all (as with flu).
Each successive booster will become less effective than the last, as with flu :(

Not to mention the effect on the immune system - one regulatory body has already said that boosters to infinity are unworkable
 

wild greens

Well-known member
I guess you don't know how much worse it would have been if you hadn't had the vaccine? It does seem as if the vaccines are offering reduced protection over time, but you can't knock their effectiveness at preventing delta from going on the rampage again last year. It helps that omicron appears to be inherently less virulent, even if it is more transmissible.

I more meant the fact that we're still dishing out boosters for old profiles when it is largely ineffective towards "mild" symptoms and the variation in Omicron's profile means they're not really catered to respond to it in the way that it was for the OG

Not denying veracity against extreme symptoms, but i know a few "boostered" (hate this bastardisation) people who have had their arse handed to them by Omicron recently, it just doesn't seem right to me

Anyway who can be arsed having this discussion again, not me. Ta-ra
 

Slothrop

Tight but Polite
Assuming that the reduction of vaccine effectiveness with repeat doses is actually a thing and not just proof by blatant assertion, that's an argument for not just giving everyone boosters every year from birth. Fine. There still comes a point where the value of getting a booster rather than getting infected again becomes worth it, even if it means the protection you get next year is going to roll off slightly as a result.
 

Leo

Well-known member
guardian article today on ONS data saying covid infections are at an all-time high in England, that seems nuts. all-time high? what's going on over there?

we're thinking of visiting the wife's family in June, first time since xmas 2019. hope things improve!
 
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