my view of the world

Parson said:

well, it looks like you've got it all figured out

carry on

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No, I'm just saying we can't even begin to really grasp what sort of state an alien would exist in. That's probably why they're called aliens. But the whole "people that look a bit funny" idea is most probably incorrect.

Parson said:

also "tesla was a very good scientist, an incredibly odd man" exhibits an incredibly profound lack of understanding of tesla's importance and impact on the history of civilization.

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how does it, can you explain?

i know all about tesla's importance thank you. Infact your claim that he believed in aliens is misleading, he believed he recieved radio signals from space, which is different from believing in aliens.
Although we now know about radio astronomy, which has little to do with aliens.

As far as being odd, he never had a home and spent all his life in hotels, never had an intimate relationship with a woman, performed all his actions in multiples of three. he
he was a profoundly romantic visionary and a performer who's ideals often didn't match up with what his contractors wanted often etc.
That's pretty odd.

Parson said:

whole lotta speculation comin' from somebody refusing to look at the evidence to the contrary

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you don't look at the evidence yourself parson i think, you seem to blindly believe the testomonies of some people on a screen,
you need to do some background research on them,
you don't pick apart the value of what they are actually saying, why they are saying it, who they are, and if they are who they say they are,
what the organisation is like,why the organisation is operating in the way it is, why the organisation sells dodgy paraphanialia and courses,
why they are approaching the subject in the way they are (presumably they are saying NOTHING, else someone would have tried to shut them up ages ago, which hasn't happened)

why they according to themselves, know so much when EVERYONE else is literally completley in the dark on the subject.

there are lots of different premises about the conspiracy of silence idea within goverments on this subject etc, like why would they be silent, why would they know or understand any more than us, where is the proof that when it comes to aliens etc there is any substantial money or work put towards it (answer there isn't). Also since governments are primarily into maintaining their own power over countries, and also trying to make those countries successfulthru their policies, how does alien research really fit in?

swears said:

But the whole "people that look a bit funny" idea is most probably incorrect.

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Come on, there's in enough of them here on Earth right now. Sarah Jessica Parker, anyone? Actually, maybe Parsons has a point after all...

There are lots of layers of secrecy, mistrust and paranoia in government, you don't need aliens for that, it's just how they tend to work. Think about the various factions, ideologies and systems that would be upset by the realization that we are not alone in the universe. I could understand why some people might think it was better if society just didn't know.

I would really like to see some good research and a bit more background on the Disclousre Project. Mms raised some very good questions - but this doesn't change the fact that some of these disclosure people are highly credible people, who haven't made a dime from this. Or the fact that other governments in Mexico, Russia, Iran and France for example, have all gone public about the existence of UFOs, and the fact that they have no idea what these things flying around really are.

None of this should become less credible every time some wide-eyed hippy claims he can talk to aliens by sticking a crystal up his arse, and yet it does, as some comments here, and society's general attitude towards ufology clearly illustrate.

Parsons if you have some good answers for mms' questions, please share them, and I'd love to see your research. If you don't share it, I might be forced to start my own Parsons work on the Disclosure Project disclosure project...

Dr Matt Mason

Parson said:

i'm always posting links.

i'm not trying to convince people like tea and mms

when i made this thread, i was feelin overwhelmed about being surrounded by these kinds of people, when the whole world is falling down around me

engaging them only upsets me and i need to stop doing it

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here in lies the problem, it's nothing personal parson, just validate some of your claims with serious links, or some arguements, both things, you haven't done, the only links i've seen from you so far have been from the project themselves apart from one interesting link from wikipedia, but it didn't have much to do with the project.

Parson said:

this thread isn't called come argue with my about my view of the world

just sharing my personal perspective

if you wish to understand it better, then pay closer attention to things i have said

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parsons, you are posting on a public forum or discussion board as it's also known.
it's obvious if the things you say are interesting enough to be discussed they may be discussed or questioned, views arent set in stone, i'm willing and offering to have my questions answered or discussed or my views challenged, so far you haven't done that and are unwilling to do that, instead i should 'pay more attention', which isn't as interesting for me personally as engaging in a discussion, cos franky i've heard alot of what you're saying before, and i'm simply asking you to discuss, backup, and argue some of your claims.

the other thing with this is you talk about brainwashing and people following the rules etc, and then you want me to sit back and listen to your personal perspective without question, something you quite rightly worry about in others.

Parson said:

which claim do you want me to back up?

i've made several and each one could have a lot of time devoted to it.

for instance are we arguing about the existence of aliens? on earth? interfering with dna? government technology? government whistleblowers credibility? the nature of evolution?

you can just say "show proof." and expect me go

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the ones i asked you earlier in the thread about the disclosure project.

Ok - so here are the four points mms raised. Let's see if between us we can come up with some good, objective answers.


1. What the organisation is like?

2. Why the organisation is operating in the way it is?

3. Why the organisation sells dodgy paraphanialia and courses?

4. Why are they approaching the subject in the way they are?

I agree. I also have no problem with him making a living, I think some of the stuff he is doing takes credibility away from this though. Based on your research, do you have answers to the other questions?

i'm not really after answers i'm more interested in trying to discuss it critically rather than say well, ' it's true cos i believe it is' which is all that seems to have happened to a larger extent in any of these threads on the subject.