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yyaldrin

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Winter of discontent winter of screaming insanity. The economic impact is really going to make itself felt soon the redundancies are starting in earnest. Good friend of mine just lost his job, another mates pregnant partner etc. Total economic wipeout the end of Civilization all set under grey cloud grotty light perpetual rain stay in your mouldy house bad air can't breathe dying universal credit find a job there aren't any jobs look any way or we will stop payments now die

was watching this yesterday and it got me feeling the same way.

 

luka

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How you position yourself here is the source of a lot of the arguments on dissensus and beyond, across the board, politics, aesthetics, philosophy, etc etc etc
Is what we have good enough can we live full human dignified lives under present conditions or is there something fundamentally wrong. Has there been some fundamental error, some fatal decision point we can identify.
 
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Isnt it the case that many respiratory viruses begin quite deadly but become less so through natural selection. becoming more contagious, less deadly as they kill off the vulnerable early on and adapt to environments, behaviours etc? So many of the colds and flus in circulation started out much nastier

does this makes herd immunity a foggy concept taking into account varying degrees of immunity, strains of virus strength, several different immune responses (antibody, t cell, other ones), infection without symptoms etc

So we may get to a stage where coronavirus is globally endemic, seasonal, with only temporary immunity, but less severe, managed with treatments and partial vaccination… is this considered herd immunity? Or does herd immunity mean practically zero transmission
 

Mr. Tea

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No he's saying infectious disease was an efficient laudable selection pressure creating superior genetic stock and this racial robustness is being undermined by modern sanitation hygiene medicine.
Oh well that makes perfect sense then.
 

Mr. Tea

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Isnt it the case that many respiratory viruses begin quite deadly but become less so through natural selection. becoming more contagious, less deadly as they kill off the vulnerable early on and adapt to environments, behaviours etc? So many of the colds and flus in circulation started out much nastier

does this makes herd immunity a foggy concept taking into account varying degrees of immunity, strains of virus strength, several different immune responses (antibody, t cell, other ones), infection without symptoms etc

So we may get to a stage where coronavirus is globally endemic, seasonal, with only temporary immunity, but less severe, managed with treatments and partial vaccination… is this considered herd immunity? Or does herd immunity mean practically zero transmission
I guess that may well happen eventually, but I wouldn't want to guess how many years or decades it would take, or how many people would have to die or be made chronically ill. But as I said, that's an extremely liberal interpretation of the word "immunity". In fact I think most people would instinctively dismiss it not only as "liberal" but a "complete fucking bollocks".
 
im bascially saying i think the main points of contention between you and biscuits might be tripped up by the massive variation in definitions of immunity with respiratory disease because of all these factors
 

mixed_biscuits

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So we may get to a stage where coronavirus is globally endemic, seasonal, with only temporary immunity, but less severe, managed with treatments and partial vaccination… is this considered herd immunity? Or does herd immunity mean practically zero transmission

It doesn't involve zero transmission, just a situation in which one would be rather unlucky to fall ill as most outbreaks wouldn't be able to maintain an R above 1.
 

catalog

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De landa says viruses go away when 'epidemic' changes to 'endemic' which sounds quite similar to herd immunity. Might be more to it than that, would need to check back
 
Herd immunity through infection remains a problematic concept as even Mr Biscuits would likely concede but the idea that 20 odd million people have no immunity to this after six months is absurd
 

catalog

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So maybe will take a couple years like was said at the start for it to be 'over' sufficiently for most people? I know some lives are being/will be irrevocably changed tho, don't wanna sound cavalier.
 

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Winter of discontent winter of screaming insanity. The economic impact is really going to make itself felt soon the redundancies are starting in earnest. Good friend of mine just lost his job, another mates pregnant partner etc. Total economic wipeout the end of Civilization all set under grey cloud grotty light perpetual rain stay in your mouldy house bad air can't breathe dying universal credit find a job there aren't any jobs look any way or we will stop payments now die
And if the Democrats end up winning next week, the GOP can spend the next four years saying "Look how shit everything is now the Dems are in charge!" snd people will fall for it once again.
 
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