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Also they've announced a new policy - that masks musk be worn when outside now at all times, and this policy is gonna stay in place for the next THREE MONTHS - how can they make rules so far ahead with certainty?

If seasonal variation in flu, Covid etc is from atmospheric recycling of particles in the air, then masks outdoors makes sense, provided they're masks that protect oneself directly.
 

mixed_biscuits

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I said, as you cited, 'in most parts'...hence the lower gradient.

Herd immunity is not eradication.

Also, bear in mind the UK is now conflating flu/pneumonia/Covid to some extent.
 
Herd immunity through infection remains a problematic concept as even Mr Biscuits would likely concede but the idea that 20 odd million people have no immunity to this after six months is absurd


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Backing up the post above, a very good explanation of t-cell immunity here from CEBM in Oxford

This part is important

Potential for long-term immunity
Early research suggests that the antibodies in people infected with SARS-CoV-2 dropped significantly within 2 to 3 months [21,22], causing concern that humoral immunity against the virus may decline rapidly. However, it is a normal part of the immune response that antibody levels fall after an infection has resolved [23]. For example, in seasonal coronavirus infections, antibodies start to decline at about a week after infection and typically only last for about a year [24]. It should also be noted that memory T and B cells are formed after infection [25,26]; these can be reactivated when another infection with the same virus occurs and could provide long-lasting immunity. A preliminary study that has not yet undergone peer review has shown that memory T and B cells were found in patients with mild COVID-19 symptoms who had recovered and that these cells persisted, suggesting the potential for longer-term immunity [27].

SARS-CoV-2-specific memory T cells have also been detected in exposed seronegative healthy individuals (relatives of confirmed cases), which may indicate asymptomatic infection. One study has shown that ~93% of “exposed asymptomatic” individuals had a T cell response to SARS-CoV-2, despite seropositivity in only 60% of cases [28]. Asymptomatic infections may therefore be more common, and antibody testing alone may underestimate the true prevalence of the infection or population immunity. SARS-CoV-2-specific T cells were found in most of the convalescent patients in this study, which is a promising sign that infection may give rise to immunity [29]
 

luka

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What I want to know is what are the forces coercing the west into economic ruin and totalitarianism.
 

luka

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You're signed up to the Agenda 21 interpretation, it's definitely one of the more compelling explanations.
 

luka

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One thing I'm really interested in is the extent to which China is intergrated into this globalist Bilderberg cabal. Or if it's a separate bloc. What's your take HMG?
 
Yes, they're behind it, great stick to beat the west with. It's WW3 and they're winning on all fronts. Decades of funding and nurturing placemen in governments and institutions.

Why send bombers when you can bamboozle enemy governments into trashing their countries instead?

Their people are smarter and more determined than ours, and they have the money too.
 
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catalog

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i don't see it as a conspiracy thing really, more that we are too expensive and there's no money to pay for us, cos there's no supply zone colonies / new world anymore. someone somewhere needs to get fucked if we are to have our cake and eat it, so it's our turn now.
 

luka

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i don't see it as a conspiracy thing really, more that we are too expensive and there's no money to pay for us, cos there's no supply zone colonies / new world anymore. someone somewhere needs to get fucked if we are to have our cake and eat it, so it's our turn now.

I don't see how that works though it sounds like a moral fable. Where's the cause and effect?
 

catalog

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the cause = the idea that we're all individuals that deserve a full human life etc. So broadly speaking, enlightenment thinking, liberal democracy etc.

It was always predicated on some form of exploitation, whether that was slavery or colonialism.

It's a good aim, but it is relies on something nefarious.

so i'm saying everyones wised up now.

so the effect is we're eating ourselves.
 

luka

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Yes, they're behind it, great stick to beat the west with. It's WW3 and they're winning on all fronts. Decades of funding and nurturing placemen in governments and institutions.

Even treated as a thought exercise this bit I struggle with. It's a mainstream opinion, particularly among the wealthy and well educated, but I think that kind of struggle would produce more surface perturbations.

I find it easier to imagine a situation in which there is genuine elite panic around a genuine threat. And these are the measures introduced to deal with it.
 
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